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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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what is up guys ryan sprague here from

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somewhere in the skies and welcome to a

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very special live stream we're doing

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tonight's guest in just a few minutes

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greatly appreciated um other than that

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just a few more news things for you guys

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before we bring him in um i am today

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wearing

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an angels versus airwaves t-shirt in

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celebration of the release of tom

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delong's long-awaited album that dropped

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today with his banned angels in airwaves

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for so for any of you delong fans out

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there um the album did just drop i

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listened to it front to back i

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absolutely loved it um but does our punk

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rock uh enthusiasts and aficionado mike

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demante feel the same head on over to

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punkrock in ufos.com and read his review

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of life forms the new album by tom

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delong and angels and airwaves um some

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shows that i would highly recommend you

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check out would be luis jimenez who just

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dropped a exclusive interview with ruff

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blumenthal today over at the

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unidentified celebrity review so after

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you watch this go on over and check that

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out it was fantastic uh chrissy newton

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over at the debrief just did a special

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uh interview for her show rebelliously

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rebelliously curious over at uh the

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debrief um with td barnes who worked for

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area 51 back in the really early days of

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skunk works um which was awesome they

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talk all about his thoughts on bob lazar

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ufos and everything in between so head

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on over to

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uh chrissy newton's youtube channel or

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the debrief and you can watch that now

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two other ones for you we have vinnie of

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disclosure team and uh we have max

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moskovitz who both interviewed luis

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elizondo in the past couple weeks so be

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sure to check those out and last but not

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least andy over at that ufo podcast

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recently did a two-part interview with

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ross colthardt the australian journalist

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who just came out with a book and a

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documentary um and some bombshells were

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dropped in that two-part episode so go

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check out that ufo podcast as well i do

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being here thank you so much my man for

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the super chat that will be open all

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night but without further ado let's talk

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about our guest today uh it is bryce

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zabel i'm gonna go through his amazing

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bio not the whole bio or else we would

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be here all night as we spoke about off

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air but bryce sable is the winner a

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winner of the prestigious writer's guild

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award for screenwriting he has created

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and produced five prime time television

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series including fan favorites like

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nbc's ufo thriller dark skies which we

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will be talking a lot about tonight and

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the tv tv adaptation of the crow and

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worked on a dozen tv writing staffs for

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such projects as lois and clark one of

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my favorite shows and steven spielberg's

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take in the mini series if you have not

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seen that mini series please check it

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out um he even wrote the first ever

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sci-fi original movie official denial

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which we will be talking about as well

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and um he was the first writer since rod

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serling to be elected to serve as

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chairman and ceo of the television

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academy he has taught screenwriting as

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an adjunct professor at usc

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and has reported on air as a cnn

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correspondent and has won multiple

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awards for investigative reporting for

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he is developing the crash about the

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race to break the roswell story and

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captured about the betty and barney hill

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abduction his book a d after disclosure

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with richard dolan is considered a

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classic of ufo literature i highly agree

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with that and seems to be becoming more

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of a reality today more than ever so

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without further ado let's bring him in

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welcome to somewhere in the skies well i

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feel i just want to go home now because

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that that's i'm done that was nice thank

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god

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yeah that's great uh no it's great to be

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here somewhere in the skies uh wherever

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that is i know you're in an und is

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you're just as you is you're

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sitting there yeah undisclosed location

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yeah that's right this is somewhere in

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the sky's hq but i mean everyone knows

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i'm a new york city boy so uh yeah i

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won't give my exact address sprays so

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if you'll pardon the expression we've

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gone coast to coast

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we have literally gone yeah i'm not

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going to keep you here for four hours

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that's true and you don't have to do

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that at two in the morning either so

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that's that's always good

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i know and i i went on there for the

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first time about um six months ago

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and uh i just remember having to have

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like a whole pot of coffee before going

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out there

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you know uh well first of all we

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shouldn't be talking about this other

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show but it it has been interesting in

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that you can't really do that unless you

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drink coffee and if you do drink coffee

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you get so wired up and then you just

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get through the show and then suddenly

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you're off

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and only it's two or three in the

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morning

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and you can't sleep i know time to start

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the day throws you off for a couple of a

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couple of days anyway love your show and

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uh it's good to be here and doing it

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well thank you thank you and you know we

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were talking today about some of the uh

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the things we might bring up tonight

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we'll see where the conversation goes

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but i definitely have some specific

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tough stuff i want to talk to you about

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um

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so much has been going on man in the ufo

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world and um in show business so um i

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guess what what i really want to talk to

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you about

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is the most recent news this um uap

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permanent office sure that is uh

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supposedly going to be happening um let

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me just read this really quick before we

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talk about it uh according to this bill

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that's trying to get passed congress is

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directing the director of national

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intelligence to establish an office

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within the office of the secretary of

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defense to carry out on a

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department-wide basis the mission

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currently performed by the uap task

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force now we know this task force was

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temporary um you know they came out with

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the preliminary assessment that was what

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six pages maybe um with a cover page and

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an appendix and uh we didn't get much

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man it was a task they were put on they

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completed that they did no more no less

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and that was it but now we're hearing

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that we might be getting a permanent

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office uh i i guess uh project blue book

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2.0 what do you think what do you make

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of all of this and is this disclosure

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what what do you think you know

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well let's let's go back to that report

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for just one second well it wasn't it

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was not a nothing burger which is a

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double negative i guess but i i thought

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that it gave us a few things that i was

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glad just to get out in the open number

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one it said that these things are real

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number two it said the us doesn't make

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them and number three it said uh it

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wasn't likely that china or russia made

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them either so i always say do the math

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who does that leave it leaves some

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rather exotic ideas so

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i guess um i wasn't uh i wasn't as i

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it did make it sound like we didn't

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start experiencing ufo or uap phenomena

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until say 2004 when we all know it's

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gone back to at least world war ii and

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maybe before that but now okay

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the new office well it sounds a lot like

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the old office right um

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it's still being controlled by the

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department of defense if that was the

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case and and we've certainly realized

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that there have been uh

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investigations into uap

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over the years

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so is it a new blue book not really

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because blue books uh

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mandate allowed it to take

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cases directly from the public and i

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don't see in the

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language that this new uap office would

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be

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soliciting from the people it seems more

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like it's just another uh way for the

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defense department to get uh some of its

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to bring their stuff together which i

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think is a good thing um

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do think no matter what they call it it

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still feels the same a little bit and so

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i stick with my previous position which

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is uh i'm happy if the government tries

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to be a little more forthcoming with

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some of this newer stuff but we're not

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going to be able to solve this mystery

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by just relying on the government

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because obviously they've been

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closed-mouthed for quite some time and

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and we have some work to do on our own

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absolutely i'm so happy you said that i

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think you know a lot of people are

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putting all their eggs into this

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governmental basket and um expecting

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them to do all the heavy lifting and we

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know that's not gonna happen from the

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quote unquote capital g government it's

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going to come from

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scientists and those who look into it

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you know

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uh

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i you know if we know one thing

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we may not be able to predict this

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exactly it's going to come from

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different places at different times and

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how they interact

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has yet to be written

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someday the the history books of the

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future will look back on this time and

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explain it all to us but right now we're

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living through it and it's not entirely

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clear how that is going to to lay out

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but i i think some of the the shadows of

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what we're about to see are becoming

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clear

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somebody somewhere uh knows more about

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this than we do currently and so far

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they've not been sharing their work now

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does opening up a uap office mean that

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those people are going to share their

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work with that office i don't know

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not necessarily

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if that office does only one thing and

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that is to collect department of defense

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videos and photos if they get them

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released then that'll be one of the

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greatest things that that could happen

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right now because it will take us

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rapidly past this confusing time where

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people are wondering well is this is

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this legit or what's going on now i

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don't happen to think that and i know

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you don't think that and most of your

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listeners don't think that but we also

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live in the real world where a lot of

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our friends and family don't give as

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much thought to this as we do and they

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they still need to have that little push

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to get them off the edge

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and and so

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where that comes from i'm not sure uh i

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think one thing i i

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rich dolan and i set it in after

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disclosure all those years ago which is

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at some point

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something happens now it could be a

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picture it could be a video

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taken by people or by uh the government

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we know for sure right now the

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government has better photos than we

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seem to have and i just think it's time

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for them to put those out and uh let the

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games begin so

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you know i i that's why the only reason

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why i'm somewhat hesitant from just

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endorsing the uap task force it's simply

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that i i think we

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we don't know we just don't know

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right i i think you know that's that's

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the thing they always say is um the

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government may not know what's really

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going on but they can sort of control

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the information or the narrative that

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gets out there and i kind of see that

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happening with all this potential threat

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talk and and all that but um you're

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you're so right about we're so embedded

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in this stuff on a daily basis those of

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us who find ourselves in the ufo

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community or whatnot i mean ufos are my

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everyday

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sure live

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breathe eat sleep it um some days i want

352
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the most toxic relationship i think uh

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you can really have but um aside from

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that you're right it takes a lot for the

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everyday person who doesn't think about

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this to uh find the legitimacy in it or

357
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where where how does it affect me i

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think that's what i hear most is like oh

359
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cool a navy ufo video came out but um i

360
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gotta go to work tomorrow i gotta you

361
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know

362
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i gotta worry about my health this that

363
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so i get it i totally get it um and i

364
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also understand those who are really

365
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excited and just getting involved in

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this topic bryce we've seen such an

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explosion of the ufo um sure quote

368
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unquote ufo twitter world

369
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and a lot of these people are brand new

370
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to it they don't know

371
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the 75 plus years of baggage they don't

372
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know which cases have been debunked and

373
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which haven't and

374
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sometimes it's frustrating you know

375
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having to kind of walk them through it

376
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um i used to be one of the young guys in

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the field and now i'm not even close to

378
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being one of the young guns but um at

379
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the same time i dropped my shoes for a

380
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few days

381
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i know man yeah we all have to say it at

382
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some point absolutely in this journey

383
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you were a young gun but now you're just

384
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a new god so that's how i look at it

385
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yeah well i that's extremely nice coming

386
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from you um so i try to keep that in

387
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mind you know let's uh let's not be too

388
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harsh on them they're having the

389
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revelations just as we did back in the

390
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day well by the way ryan i i you know

391
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you say uh they don't know certain

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things or the cases that have been

393
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debunked i'm continually surprised i'll

394
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write an article or spout off about

395
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something and then people will come out

396
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and go oh well that was all debunked

397
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already and you know i continually learn

398
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things but one of the things i learned

399
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is that it's harder

400
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and harder and never gets easier trying

401
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to get some clarity on even a single

402
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case you know you think that you think

403
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that the case that you're talking about

404
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well that one people know about and then

405
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you realize well not everybody agrees

406
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with it and i know we'll talk about uh

407
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some cases like that tonight

408
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and where they just they'd never seem to

409
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get toward closure and um

410
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so let alone disclosure so

411
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uh

412
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we're not quite there on a lot of levels

413
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and one of the great things that will

414
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happen i think when we cross that line

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and now suddenly

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uh we're all able to say oh i saw that

417
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video not the one of the three little

418
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navy ones that were a minute and a half

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and kind of fuzzy no i saw the 40-minute

420
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one that was in hd

421
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uh

422
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once that's happening

423
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i think everyone's going to take this a

424
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lot more seriously so our friends right

425
00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:02,800
now seem to be waking up uh the

426
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evolution for me personally has been

427
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i've gone from being and you've heard me

428
00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:08,319
say this being the drunk uncle at the

429
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wedding right where everybody is like ah

430
00:17:14,949 --> 00:17:12,799
there goes bryce talking about ufos

431
00:17:17,029 --> 00:17:14,959
again and now they don't act like that

432
00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:17,039
now they're just as likely to come up

433
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and go hey man i know that you know a

434
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:22,319
lot about this what's really going on so

435
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there's a hunger for that i'm sure

436
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you're experiencing

437
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that level of of interest as well so

438
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just imagine when there's

439
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something visual besides the same three

440
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videos that we've seen and it's just

441
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something really profound i mean

442
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crystal clear

443
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and and the government admits that's not

444
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ours

445
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well then you know you talked about the

446
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threat narrative if it's not ours

447
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and it doesn't identify itself

448
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and it has these impossible technical uh

449
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specifications of what it can do

450
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then i think

451
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it would be irresponsible not to at

452
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least consider what the threat might be

453
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i mean you know i i don't want to be

454
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naive and say well you know if they were

455
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going to kill us they'd have killed us

456
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already which i hear a lot and i just

457
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don't know that i buy that uh and i'll

458
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i'll give you a quick a reason why i

459
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don't if you think about it in the

460
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united states we operate on a very short

461
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time frame right so

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if uh

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you know literally less than a

464
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presidential administration you get

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about a year and a half honeymoon if you

466
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get elected president if that

467
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now um

468
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countries like china may operate on a

469
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100 year time frame where they're able

470
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to make some plans and work around that

471
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what if we're encountering an

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intelligence that works on a 5 000 year

473
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time frame well then their true intent

474
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might not be revealed yet

475
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so i don't have enough information to

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know so

477
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i do think

478
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you know let's go back to teddy

479
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roosevelt walk softly carry a big stick

480
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if we have a big enough stick uh who

481
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knows um but

482
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but the idea that there are things that

483
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we don't know what they are able to

484
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maneuver around our our best technology

485
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including nuclear

486
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and you you could say well they're

487
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trying to protect us from nuclear well

488
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okay that's i guess one point of view

489
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but if if if i had a a mill what does

490
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what does the military of our country

491
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and every other country do they try to

492
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assess what the other guy's got

493
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so what if that's going on so i i just

494
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think

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uh we are entering a period where we're

496
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about to it's a instead of it being a

497
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hard cut it's a slow dissolve into a

498
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period where we're going to be able to

499
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think more and more okay

500
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the easy part is done we've all admitted

501
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they're real

502
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right now we get into the hard part who

503
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knows what who's willing to share their

504
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work who's violated the law to suppress

505
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this troop this truth and what are we

506
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going to do about it

507
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yeah

508
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i don't know

509
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right well and those are so many of the

510
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hypotheticals that you and richard dolan

511
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approached in your book you know what

512
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happens aft that's literally the name of

513
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the book after disclosure and you're

514
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you're right the the ramification of

515
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just that acceptance and acknowledgement

516
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of the phenomenon is real it's

517
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interplanetary or it's interdimensional

518
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whatever the source may be or sources um

519
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you know what comes after that and you

520
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:33,679
know that's no more apparent than

521
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cool okay let's say they're e.t and they

522
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have visited our planet um we get to the

523
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highly controversial topic of alien

524
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:43,760
abduction something you have tackled a

525
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lot in your writing career and in your

526
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:48,720
research um so let's

527
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:50,320
let's dive right into that if you don't

528
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mind i'd love to talk about we just

529
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celebrated the 60th anniversary of the

530
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:57,840
betty and barney hill abduction um so

531
00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:00,000
let's go right into it yeah it's crazy

532
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:02,000
man i'm gonna do a little summary here

533
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:04,640
for anyone who wants to play catch-up um

534
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the night of september 19th and into the

535
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early morning of the 20th betty and

536
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barney hill returning from a honeymoon

537
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in canada encountered a large ufo in the

538
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white mountains of new hampshire next

539
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thing they remembered was being 30 miles

540
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down the road with two hours elapsed and

541
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they could not account that they could

542
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not account for both physical evidence

543
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and nightmares alarmed them later they

544
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:26,559
were hypnotically regressed and

545
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:28,400
recovered memories of being onboarded

546
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craft it's subjected to medical exams by

547
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:33,840
non-human entities their story swept

548
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:36,880
america in the mid-1960s and remains one

549
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:38,480
of the most famous

550
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:41,440
abduction cases in history which is

551
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:44,480
obviously very true anyone you ask about

552
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,039
alien abductions brings this one up but

553
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:49,360
you have a very special connection with

554
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:51,039
this case bryce you've written about it

555
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:52,400
extensively

556
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:53,679
over at um

557
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:56,240
over a trail of um oh my gosh i'm

558
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,760
forgetting the old name of our writing

559
00:22:02,950 --> 00:21:59,440
college trail of the saucers trail of

560
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:02,960
the saucers yeah right oh my gosh

561
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,799
it says it right on your screen so there

562
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:06,240
you go literally right in front of my

563
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,000
face there it is

564
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:10,320
so um let's start with that man the case

565
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:11,440
um

566
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:13,440
this case what weight do you give this

567
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:16,320
thing and um its place in ufo history

568
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,080
it's

569
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:20,640
seriously two separate questions there i

570
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,919
i think the problem with betty and

571
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:23,760
barney for me is that i just can't quit

572
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:24,400
him

573
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:27,679
you know i the more i learn the more i'm

574
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:30,640
compelled by it um and i and and i think

575
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:32,080
that it's clear that a lot of people

576
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:33,679
around the world have been compelled by

577
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:36,000
it for a long time why is that i think

578
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:37,840
it's because it's a it's a case that's

579
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:40,880
all about firsts it's the first time

580
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:44,720
that uh in a public way in america a an

581
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,120
abduction was reported it's the first

582
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:49,440
time that anybody claimed to experience

583
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:51,760
missing time it's the first time that

584
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,200
anybody was

585
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:55,679
regressed through hypnosis to re recover

586
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:57,919
those memories and it's also the first

587
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,080
time that anybody ever described the

588
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:02,159
grays so

589
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,360
it's important to us because it provides

590
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:07,360
the template for a lot of what we see

591
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,039
discussed today

592
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:11,520
and for me it's a tremendous case

593
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:12,480
because

594
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:15,919
if someone were to stop me today and say

595
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:18,159
you know i was abducted they

596
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:20,080
did medical experiments i'm not going to

597
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:21,679
say that they're wrong but i'm going to

598
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,320
say there's been 60 years now obviously

599
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:26,400
uh where where people have been exposed

600
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:28,640
to that so uh what's great about the

601
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:30,559
betty and barney case is they had no

602
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:32,720
templates so when they just laid this

603
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:36,559
story out that's what the story was so

604
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:38,960
that explains why we're we're so

605
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:41,279
interested in it

606
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:43,520
the reason it's still a great case

607
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:46,720
though uh to a certain extent

608
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,440
has to be laid to

609
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,279
not just the description that you read

610
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:53,919
but to those hypnosis tapes because you

611
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,000
can actually listen to those tapes you

612
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:58,640
can read the transcripts and when you do

613
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,039
uh particularly if you listen to them

614
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:03,120
you go betty and barney aren't really

615
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,640
faking it now

616
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,559
they i guess they could be confused and

617
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,320
and be something else had happened to

618
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,640
them and and they're interpreting it in

619
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:12,880
this bizarre way and but it's still

620
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:15,440
freaking them out and when you hear

621
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,840
someone freaked out to that degree it

622
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:19,919
changes you it makes you say wow

623
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:21,840
something's going on so yes i've been

624
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:24,080
involved i remember reading about it as

625
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,799
a kid but when i was doing dark skies i

626
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,400
actually put them in the pilot of dark

627
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:30,320
skies because i i thought their story

628
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:32,240
was so compelling and of course right

629
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:34,880
now i have the book by stan friedman and

630
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:36,799
kathy martin the book called captured

631
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:39,039
under option and my wife and i are

632
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,200
developing it for a television series so

633
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:43,760
yeah i'm all in on betty and barney

634
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:46,480
yeah and again i think it's so exciting

635
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,200
to know that it's still it's the one you

636
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:51,600
can't quit and you keep chasing it and

637
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,159
it would we all want that we all want a

638
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:56,400
series we want a movie we want to see it

639
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,760
get out there

640
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,240
you know what's interesting about it why

641
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,240
can't we quit it is it just the ufo

642
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:04,400
thing i submit it's not

643
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:05,679
what's always

644
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:08,000
i mean that's been one reason why it's

645
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:10,000
extremely powerful but for me and i

646
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:11,919
wouldn't be surprised if for you and a

647
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,880
lot of your listeners and viewers

648
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,720
it's the fact that it was an interracial

649
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,200
couple you know barney hill is a black

650
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,840
man betty hill is a white woman it's

651
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:23,600
1961.

652
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:25,120
um

653
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:28,799
black americans are being water cannoned

654
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:31,440
down in the south and dogs are being set

655
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:33,760
upon them simply for demanding

656
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:37,039
fair and equal rights of citizenship so

657
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,720
it's a pretty wild time and betty and

658
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:40,000
barney although they lived in new

659
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:41,360
hampshire

660
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:43,039
i don't think you could say they were

661
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:44,720
immune from that i mean they were both

662
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:46,880
involved in the naacp

663
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:49,120
uh and and quite clearly if you were

664
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,480
betty and barney hill and you went to

665
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,240
the local restaurant to get a burger

666
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:54,480
people were watching you and talking

667
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:57,919
about you and they lived with that so um

668
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,480
you know i look at it as uh

669
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:03,200
a case of why

670
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:05,919
here's what it really i find profound i

671
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:08,240
call it why barney hill's black life

672
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:12,720
matters all right it matters because

673
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:15,760
barney was a man who was all about

674
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:18,559
equality and civil rights that's who he

675
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,279
was it defined who he was he was working

676
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,000
in the naacp he would do things as

677
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:27,039
interesting as the he would have um he

678
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:28,880
would go in and ask for a haircut at a

679
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:31,679
barber shop and uh the guy would say

680
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,240
take a seat over there and then uh his

681
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,240
friend a white guy would come in and ask

682
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:38,320
for a haircut and the barber would take

683
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,480
him and make barney wait and then they

684
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:41,919
would confront the barber that's the

685
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:44,080
kind of social activism they were doing

686
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:45,840
to cert kind of get out this on a

687
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:47,440
granular level

688
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,240
so

689
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,400
here's a man who's consumed by that and

690
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,240
his wife obviously thought it was

691
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:54,960
important as well but what happens he

692
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:56,320
gets abducted

693
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:57,919
by aliens or at least that's what he

694
00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:00,400
thinks happened to him he talks about it

695
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:02,000
it becomes public

696
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,080
and suddenly

697
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:06,320
the barney hill who was a civil rights

698
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:09,600
advocate is no more now it's barney hill

699
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:12,720
uh a person who was abducted by aliens

700
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:15,039
and that changed the whole tenor of his

701
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:17,120
life the whole course of his life and it

702
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:19,600
makes his story a little bit tragic

703
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:21,039
and that's where i found a lot of the

704
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:23,760
drama in this to because

705
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:25,279
close with this

706
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:28,399
at a time in 1961 where there was

707
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,880
practically no one in america who could

708
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:33,120
not see their race if you saw betty and

709
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:34,640
barney on the street

710
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:38,159
you looked twice and a third time right

711
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:41,440
at that time who didn't see their skin

712
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:42,399
color

713
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:44,960
whoever it was that abducted them

714
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:46,960
those creatures whatever they were

715
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:48,640
whoever they were wherever they were

716
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,279
from they didn't go how interesting we

717
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:53,200
have a black man here and a white person

718
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,799
there they didn't say that

719
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:56,960
yeah they just saw human beings

720
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,039
right that's such a good point and i

721
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:00,960
mean you you bring up the very valid

722
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,279
argument of they had so much to lose

723
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,760
with coming forward with this and um you

724
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,919
know i know over at the collective

725
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:09,360
you've really

726
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:12,159
dived into so many aspects of this from

727
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:13,840
the first reporting of it the

728
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,799
journalists who first broke the story to

729
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,840
you know

730
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:19,760
everything that happened after that you

731
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:21,520
know the ramifications of them coming

732
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:24,159
forward so what do you what do you make

733
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:25,520
of um

734
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,159
the journalism side of all this the way

735
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:30,960
the case was first covered in the media

736
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:33,120
when it first happened i know there were

737
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,799
books written about it

738
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:36,640
well it's a great question and i'll tell

739
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:38,480
you something i dive deeply into it

740
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:41,200
because i was trying to find

741
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:44,000
details that i could use to

742
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:45,919
you know to put into a television series

743
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:47,679
and frankly you can't just do a

744
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,640
television a series and go 10 hours

745
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,240
and say were they abducted weren't they

746
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,799
abducted maybe maybe not you know that's

747
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,960
that's not enough to sustain it so i

748
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,960
started really digging into it

749
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:00,720
and i'll give you the very short version

750
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:02,960
i did do some you know investigative

751
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,080
work and have uncovered a few things

752
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:08,559
among them is that if you ask the

753
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:11,120
average person who even is aware of the

754
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:13,600
case right now how did that case become

755
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:14,799
public

756
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:17,120
they will say oh well there was a book

757
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,720
written about it called the interrupted

758
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:20,640
journey that was excerpted in look

759
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:22,960
magazine by written by a guy named john

760
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,559
fuller and that happened in 1966

761
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,240
and that's how most people think the

762
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:31,200
case became public but it's not true

763
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:32,640
it's not true at all

764
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,320
um it's it became public because a

765
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:38,480
reporter for the boston traveler an

766
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:40,640
investigative reporter an award-winning

767
00:29:44,909 --> 00:29:43,840
reporter a man named john latrell senior

768
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:44,919
in in

769
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,080
1965 heard about the case

770
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,320
and began investigating began calling up

771
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:52,240
their friends called betty and barney

772
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:54,320
asked him to give him an interview which

773
00:30:02,310 --> 00:29:57,520
they refused and he just kept at it and

774
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:02,320
in october of 65 he ended up filing uh a

775
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:04,880
i believe it was a six part series uh in

776
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:06,799
the boston traveler that's actually

777
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:09,279
fairly accurate it's much more accurate

778
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:11,360
for example than the interrupted journey

779
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,240
where the john fuller author actually

780
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,480
changed facts because he didn't want to

781
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:18,000
offend certain people i'll give you an

782
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:19,919
example betty and barney had a gun in

783
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:21,679
their trunk

784
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,399
but

785
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:24,240
not if you read the interrupted journey

786
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:26,320
because the gun doesn't exist in that

787
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:28,880
book instead john fuller turns it into a

788
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:30,880
tire iron

789
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:32,960
i don't think that's good reporting and

790
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:35,200
certainly the john latrell the guy

791
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,399
before that

792
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,399
was very accurate the other thing that's

793
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,559
been a misconception about the case and

794
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:42,480
i say this not as an attack on betty and

795
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:46,080
barney who i have great sympathy for um

796
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:47,919
but it's been kind of an article of

797
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,880
faith

798
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:50,799
that you know they didn't really seek

799
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:53,440
publicity they never sought publicity

800
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:56,080
and and yet it found them and it was

801
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:56,799
well

802
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:58,880
i i'm not saying they sought publicity

803
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:01,440
but let me tell you what happened before

804
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:04,880
john latrell to actually get a the story

805
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,039
betty and barney came home that day they

806
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:09,679
told the upstairs renter about the story

807
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:10,720
um

808
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,279
they told betty's family about the story

809
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:15,120
betty's sister told her next door

810
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:17,519
neighbor who was a physicist about the

811
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,480
story betty's sister told the former

812
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:22,399
chief of police in one of the towns

813
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,320
about the story this is all on day one

814
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:26,880
okay uh betty talked to people at work

815
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:29,279
about it uh we don't know if barney did

816
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:32,159
or did not they spoke to their church uh

817
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,399
leaders about it and they spoke multiple

818
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:36,960
times to church groups where they told

819
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,600
their story um not necessarily about

820
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:41,279
being taken aboard the craft that would

821
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:42,799
come a little bit later but they were

822
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:46,000
they were public about it and then um

823
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:48,399
the one that just blows my mind is in

824
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:50,159
1963

825
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:52,000
okay this is two years before the

826
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,159
latrell articles come out and three

827
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,559
years before the book they spoke to

828
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:58,080
something called the

829
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,559
two states ufo working group

830
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,640
and there were 200 people in this

831
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:04,880
audience it was a public audience and

832
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,720
they talked about their story

833
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,640
all right now among the people in that

834
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:10,720
audience was guess who john latrell

835
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:13,120
senior the reporter for the boston

836
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,200
traveler and he said this is a good

837
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:17,440
story and latrell spent two years

838
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:19,760
digging into it and if latrell had not

839
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:22,320
been digging into that story guess what

840
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:25,120
john fuller wouldn't have seen it

841
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:27,760
to write the book about it so i just say

842
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,240
the the hidden story of betty and barney

843
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:32,640
is this guy john latrell who is a former

844
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,480
reporter i'm not a former i guess you're

845
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:36,880
always a reporter if you're a reporter

846
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,760
um i just admire his journalism and

847
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,440
tenacity here's a guy that got a

848
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:43,440
comfortable pair of shoes and started

849
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,200
walking around and expending shoe

850
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:47,679
leather to get the story and without him

851
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:49,600
we wouldn't have had the true story as

852
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:51,279
we have it today

853
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,320
wow i love that the shoe leather

854
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,080
journalist i love hearing those kind of

855
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:58,559
stories man before the days of clicking

856
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:01,279
on google search you know this guy was

857
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:02,960
great he wouldn't take no for an answer

858
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:04,399
he called betty and barney up and said

859
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,760
i'd like to interview they said no and

860
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:07,840
he goes i just want you to understand

861
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:09,519
that i'm going to do this story anyway

862
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:11,039
it'd be better if i could talk to you

863
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:12,880
and they said no that's their right of

864
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:13,840
course

865
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:15,200
but then he started calling their

866
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:16,240
friends

867
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:19,519
and he started there were two reports by

868
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:21,200
the way which i left out in the

869
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:22,799
itemization of things that happened

870
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:25,039
before he wrote they told their story to

871
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:26,880
peace air force base

872
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,440
that went to project blue book

873
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:31,679
so the people at peace and project blue

874
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:34,480
book started telling their people

875
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:36,880
because it was a juicy case and asking

876
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,919
them to help validate it he also they

877
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:41,440
also spoke to the national

878
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,120
investigations committee on aerial

879
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:45,760
phenomena nycap and nycap ended up

880
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:48,880
writing a 60-page report about it and

881
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,279
you know people over time have said well

882
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,440
you know he violated betty and barney's

883
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:56,080
privacy by writing about this well you

884
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,960
know

885
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:58,640
i'm sympathetic to that but you don't

886
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:00,880
have a right to privacy on a public

887
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:02,960
matter right right and and you would

888
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,760
argue if the aliens are abducting us

889
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:07,679
that's a public matter that we should

890
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,760
all probably know something about

891
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:12,000
and so um

892
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:13,760
you know it went on like that and and

893
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:16,159
and this john latrell before he

894
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:18,560
published got a copy of the 60 page

895
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:19,839
nycap

896
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,240
he got a copy of the project blue book

897
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:24,320
report these were given to him and he

898
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:27,520
got transcripts of the hypnosis sessions

899
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,599
that were given to him so i would argue

900
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:31,520
those people are the ones that leaked

901
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,119
you know he didn't leak anything the

902
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,440
sign in new hampshire says that this the

903
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,960
road sign says

904
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,480
that betty and barney weren't public

905
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:40,560
with their story until it was leaked in

906
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,639
the boston traveler i think that's two

907
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:44,240
factors they were public with their

908
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:46,000
story and it was not leaked to the

909
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:48,399
boston you know it was not leaked by the

910
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:50,800
boston traveler it was leaked to the

911
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:52,960
boston traveler which reported it so

912
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,679
that's my soapbox on journalism but i i

913
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:57,680
find it really interesting and i always

914
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:59,599
love correcting the historical record a

915
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,599
little bit if you can because let's face

916
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,680
it if it doesn't happen now by the you

917
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:06,000
know as we are on the 60th anniversary

918
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:08,320
when is it gonna happen so we have to do

919
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:09,359
these things

920
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,680
absolutely man i i couldn't agree more

921
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:13,440
um well you know speaking of that a lot

922
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:15,680
of people in the chat here are asking

923
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:18,480
about the star map so before we wrap up

924
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,640
our talk on betty and barney hill what

925
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:22,720
do you make of that whole side of this a

926
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:24,560
lot of people turn to it as like hard

927
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:27,200
evidence that rice happened betty saw

928
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:28,560
these star maps before they even

929
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,119
apparently came out and others say it

930
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,440
was debunked but um where do you land on

931
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:35,280
all that and is that something you would

932
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,520
you would uh explore in your series

933
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,599
we'll of course explore that in the

934
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:41,680
series because it's an important thing

935
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:43,680
um i think both things that you just

936
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,320
said are true yes betty talked about it

937
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,320
and there are uh there are strong

938
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:50,000
arguments to be made that it was

939
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,000
something real and authentic and yet

940
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,640
other people have tried to debunk it um

941
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,079
i don't think

942
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,720
personally that the bet the veracity of

943
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:00,800
the betty and barney hill story rests on

944
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:03,920
the star map itself uh just for people

945
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:06,800
who don't know about that um betty had

946
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,079
claimed that the leader of the uh

947
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:12,320
of the alien group from zeta reticuli

948
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:15,119
that showed you know that took them

949
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:16,720
showed her kind of a holographic

950
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,119
projection and said this is where we're

951
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:21,760
from this is where you are there's these

952
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:24,720
other places that we visit and and this

953
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:25,599
map

954
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:28,480
that she didn't actually remember until

955
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:29,920
under hypnosis

956
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:32,560
uh she was able to uh remember it in

957
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:35,760
detail and was given permission by dr

958
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:38,480
benjamin simon who was the uh thera the

959
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:41,040
psychiatrist to draw it which she did

960
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:42,800
and then 10 years later a woman named

961
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:45,440
marjorie fish took that map that she

962
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:47,680
drew after hypnosis

963
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:48,480
and

964
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:49,359
again

965
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:53,200
it's disputed by various sides but

966
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:57,760
was able to say oh look that's exactly

967
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:00,320
what what the reality of astronomy tells

968
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:03,599
us and we didn't know that until years

969
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:05,520
after her abduction

970
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:07,359
but again

971
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,839
the short answer for me is it is not

972
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:11,760
definitive um

973
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:14,400
but it doesn't have to be from look look

974
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:16,640
i'm not the final arbiter of any of this

975
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:18,800
stuff right i'm just the guy who at this

976
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:23,920
point hopes to uh write or produce a

977
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,200
series about them and so clearly coming

978
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:29,280
up with a star map attempting to

979
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,160
authenticate it would be part of that um

980
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:34,720
but you you are totally correct

981
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:37,440
different people disagree about it and

982
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,640
uh

983
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,960
you know carl sagan famously

984
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:42,720
said about the map

985
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,880
that he felt that it's almost like you

986
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:46,480
could interpret any

987
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,160
set of stars

988
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:50,400
if if you wanted to you could pick and

989
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:52,160
choose i don't know that that's totally

990
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:54,160
true either but i know that it's not as

991
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,560
simple as you you get a piece of paper

992
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,640
and you draw some points on it and say

993
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:00,400
see that's exactly that's proof that i

994
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,560
was abducted it's not proof that you

995
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,040
were abducted right small piece of the

996
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:07,440
puzzle absolutely yeah um well kind of

997
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,480
wrapping up abductions here bryce uh

998
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:12,560
what do you make of this whole

999
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:15,359
phenomenon i mean as a researcher i

1000
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:17,920
i was heavily into the abductions back

1001
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,760
in the 90s and

1002
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:22,000
even early 2000s where people were still

1003
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:23,920
coming to me yeah with their stories of

1004
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:25,760
being abducted but we don't hear about

1005
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,079
it that much anymore you know is that

1006
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:30,320
just a mainstream media perception of

1007
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:33,760
this topic we're focused on navy ufos

1008
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:36,720
and all that stuff or where has the

1009
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:39,280
phenomenon gone in your opinion that's a

1010
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:40,320
really

1011
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:42,800
interesting topic i mean first of all i

1012
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,880
have written a lot about it and not i

1013
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,800
didn't set out to just write abduction

1014
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:48,400
stuff but that first movie you mentioned

1015
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:51,119
official denial is about an abduction

1016
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:53,359
and the abductee is being watched by the

1017
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:55,599
us government figuring that if he gets

1018
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:58,560
abducted again they'll wire his house so

1019
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,440
that

1020
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:01,119
they'll hear about the abduction and

1021
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,800
they can try to shoot a craft down

1022
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,480
that's what official denial is about

1023
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:06,560
that's brilliant so that's all about uh

1024
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:09,440
abduction and then dark skies uh the nbc

1025
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:11,359
series which we'll talk about later also

1026
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:13,119
its through line is abduction there's

1027
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:16,880
abduction in the um in the pilot

1028
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:19,440
and um of course captured his abduction

1029
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,640
now

1030
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,720
your question is different i mean as a

1031
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:24,320
dramatist

1032
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:27,839
absolutely abduction works terrific um

1033
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:28,720
it's

1034
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,839
taking people against their will is is

1035
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:35,440
well that's a crime

1036
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:38,000
you know i don't care if i do it you do

1037
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:40,960
it uh a serial killer does it or people

1038
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:43,760
from set a reticuli do it it's not right

1039
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:46,640
to be taken against your will

1040
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:47,599
now

1041
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:48,960
when betty and barney claimed it

1042
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,440
happened to them they appeared to be

1043
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:53,520
this unique

1044
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:55,280
case

1045
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:57,599
and even in the years after

1046
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:00,160
while a few more cases started falling

1047
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,040
into the abduction file book if you will

1048
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:05,359
um there weren't a lot of them and now

1049
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:07,839
we have a lot we have experiencer

1050
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:10,079
sessions at every conference uh ufo

1051
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:13,280
conference now and and the like

1052
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:14,319
i'm

1053
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:16,000
i you know listen

1054
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:18,960
i see people who have had these

1055
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:21,520
experiences and they are in pain and i

1056
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:25,119
cannot uh deny their pain um

1057
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,839
i think that yes in a vast amount of

1058
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,760
when you have a vast amount of anything

1059
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:32,000
some people are

1060
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:33,680
you know

1061
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:36,400
bringing you are are not telling the

1062
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,599
truth that's quite likely that some not

1063
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,359
everyone who says they were abducted was

1064
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:43,599
abducted but it also doesn't mean that

1065
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:45,040
some of them weren't

1066
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,240
so

1067
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:48,880
i i just

1068
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:49,920
i

1069
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:50,880
you know

1070
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:53,359
i watched lou elizondo the other day

1071
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:55,760
get interviewed he's a smarter man than

1072
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:58,560
i am on this sort of the big gigantic

1073
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:59,599
picture

1074
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:02,160
and he seemed to be frustrated by the

1075
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:04,880
abduction topic because he was saying i

1076
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:07,359
want data you know you tell me you were

1077
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:08,560
abducted

1078
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,920
i can't

1079
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,680
turn that into data i don't know what to

1080
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:13,359
do about that

1081
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,319
so

1082
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:16,880
he's frustrated because he's into data i

1083
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:19,280
also like to see data but i can also

1084
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:21,200
write about abductions

1085
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:23,760
do i think it's happened yeah i i think

1086
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:25,359
it's happened do i think it's happened

1087
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:27,839
to as many people as say i i

1088
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:30,400
i mean it it would be

1089
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:32,000
i mean i got to throw that to you too

1090
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:33,520
what do you think yeah i mean what

1091
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:34,800
what's your take

1092
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:37,680
no i mean i kind of stop in my tracks

1093
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:39,920
when i get that question too like why

1094
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,720
why all of a sudden has it does it seem

1095
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,880
like abduction aren't abductions aren't

1096
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,720
happening and i can't say they're not

1097
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,560
we're just not getting the reports or

1098
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:51,200
we're not hearing about it um so i don't

1099
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,720
really know where i stand on it i i

1100
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:54,560
think this is a product

1101
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:56,000
of the

1102
00:42:01,349 --> 00:42:00,000
amorphous

1103
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:01,359
nature

1104
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:04,160
and also have evidence you know we just

1105
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:07,040
it absolutely can be real but it doesn't

1106
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:09,040
mean you've been abducted by aliens it

1107
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:10,720
may mean that there's another

1108
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,119
explanation for that reality i don't

1109
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:15,200
know what it is but i am also here to

1110
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:16,800
say i don't know what the answer to the

1111
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:19,599
whole phenomenon is um and and so as a

1112
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:22,160
consequence i i you know i don't i'm not

1113
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:23,680
working with enough

1114
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:26,480
whether lou wants to call it data or i'm

1115
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:28,160
i don't have enough experience or

1116
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:31,040
whatever i i think about it all the time

1117
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:32,960
i can't seem to resolve it in my head i

1118
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,000
will tell you that there are certain

1119
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,560
people who have researched it like david

1120
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,640
jacobs that when i read his books they

1121
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:42,800
scare the crap out of me because if

1122
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,440
that's real what he's describing then

1123
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,280
we're in trouble

1124
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:49,440
right i mean he's describing a world

1125
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:52,800
where it's a a plan it's been done

1126
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,599
to millions of people and the plan is to

1127
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:57,440
walk among us

1128
00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:59,920
and potentially relieve us of our

1129
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:02,319
stewardship of our own planet

1130
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:04,079
well chad

1131
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:05,200
sorry

1132
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:06,560
that bothers you

1133
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,680
i'm not i'm not down with that so i i go

1134
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:11,760
round and round about it and all i want

1135
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,000
to say here though is if if you're an

1136
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:16,160
experiencer i mean

1137
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,119
no disrespect to you or or to anyone

1138
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:20,880
else in that i'm just telling you

1139
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:23,599
because i've i'm not an experiencer and

1140
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:26,000
i have to go only on what people tell me

1141
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,280
um

1142
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:29,599
i i just don't feel like i have a good

1143
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,000
enough grasp to be definitive about it

1144
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,079
and i know that if you're an experiencer

1145
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:36,160
you feel that you do and and i can't

1146
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:37,920
tell you you're wrong

1147
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:40,000
exactly well i was not in their shoes

1148
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:41,760
when this right happened and that's kind

1149
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:44,079
of where i lay bryce i i don't

1150
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:46,560
i i grow more skeptical of certain

1151
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:49,040
aspects of this phenomenon and topic as

1152
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:51,119
the years go on but that doesn't mean

1153
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:53,200
you know i would flat out ever deny

1154
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:54,560
these experiences

1155
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,319
happen to these people it was real to

1156
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,560
them and sometimes they just need

1157
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:01,200
someone to listen and you know if i can

1158
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:03,839
do that great um do i want to enable

1159
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:06,319
fantasy prone people or possible hoaxers

1160
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:09,040
no obviously not but it's such a

1161
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,040
struggle you know with each and every

1162
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,680
case that comes you know uh and this is

1163
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:15,760
not apropos of the millions of people

1164
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:17,280
who have claimed this happening to them

1165
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:18,720
but we've been talking about betty and

1166
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,359
barney um one of the things that i tried

1167
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:23,599
to do in my research was to say

1168
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:26,319
to look i it doesn't matter where i come

1169
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,920
down personally on it it's like what

1170
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,440
story am i going to tell and what are

1171
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,359
these people thinking and what are they

1172
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,599
doing and how are they reacting i

1173
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:36,000
stumbled across a very interesting fact

1174
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:37,680
uh you know betty and barney were coming

1175
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:38,960
back from

1176
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,680
where montreal they were on their

1177
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,359
honeymoon that had been delayed so i

1178
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:45,359
called the betty barney case the lost

1179
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:48,400
honeymoon uh to me because

1180
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:50,240
they thought they were they'd enjoyed

1181
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,000
their delayed honeymoon and then this

1182
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,720
thing happened to them okay

1183
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:56,640
i'm reading separately

1184
00:45:03,109 --> 00:44:59,520
and i discovered that montreal was sort

1185
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,119
of the home base of mk ultra which is

1186
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:05,839
the gov us government's mind control

1187
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:09,280
group right so the dramatist again i'm

1188
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:10,880
not saying this is what i believe

1189
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:13,760
personally but the dramatist in me says

1190
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:16,560
uh if i was going to try

1191
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,040
to do mind control over somebody um

1192
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,440
uh to to see if i can mess with their

1193
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:25,520
memories and implant memories and all

1194
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:26,319
that

1195
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:28,720
and uh i didn't want them to talk about

1196
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,280
it i might pick an interracial couple

1197
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:33,119
who have enough problems already and

1198
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:34,960
probably don't want to talk about it so

1199
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:37,440
there's there's things that that explain

1200
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:38,240
or

1201
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,480
have to be debated uh

1202
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:42,640
about how things

1203
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,280
have happened and you know also

1204
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,359
betty and barney lived near

1205
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:49,760
peace air force base which was the only

1206
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,960
nuclear

1207
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:53,280
bomber base in america at the time it

1208
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:54,720
had taken over

1209
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:57,760
in that decade from where roswell so you

1210
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:00,480
went roswell peace air force base betty

1211
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,920
and barney lived about an eight minute

1212
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,079
drive from peace this is during the

1213
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,040
height of the cold war there were soviet

1214
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,359
submarines off the coast of new

1215
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:11,839
hampshire during those days right so

1216
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,560
maybe the soviets were abducting people

1217
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:16,800
to see as a test to see if they could

1218
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:20,000
abduct uh military people and and and

1219
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:23,839
put them back with their memories wiped

1220
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:26,480
who knows but what we do know is that

1221
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:30,000
the the period of the 1960s and the cold

1222
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:30,960
war

1223
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:33,440
it wasn't just just dr strangelove the

1224
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,640
movie that was weird life was weird you

1225
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:38,800
know it was very strange

1226
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,720
very strange and we're gonna we're gonna

1227
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,640
dive into the 60s pretty heavily yeah

1228
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,800
yeah in just a minute bryce um i'm gonna

1229
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:46,880
do a little reset here of the room for

1230
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,359
anyone who's just joining us we are live

1231
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:51,440
with bryce sable we are talking all

1232
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:55,200
about his work in hollywood with ufos um

1233
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,640
we're going to talk a little about his

1234
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:59,040
work with the emmys which is another

1235
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:01,280
anniversary that just occurred as well

1236
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,760
um but before we do that bryce i'm going

1237
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:05,920
to go ahead and actually show

1238
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,000
the uh the

1239
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:10,560
beginning of dark skies before we dive

1240
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,880
into it the loving theme because i know

1241
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,640
we're going to chat about that and what

1242
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:16,880
the beginning actually says about the

1243
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:17,680
show

1244
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:19,760
then and where we are now so let me go

1245
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,440
ahead and pull that up we'll give

1246
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:23,280
ourselves a little breather here while

1247
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,880
we play the opening of dark skies

1248
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:28,800
titles out there that say history as we

1249
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,200
know it is a lie that's that's a little

1250
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:33,839
subversive that's a little ballsy yeah

1251
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,400
man i know and well let's let's talk

1252
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,640
about that i mean okay dark skies for

1253
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,720
any of our viewers listeners who aren't

1254
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:42,960
familiar with it um i do want to also

1255
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:45,200
recommend before we dive into it uh the

1256
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,160
brilliant book by matthew kressel who

1257
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,160
wrote kind of the definitive you know

1258
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:52,400
story having interviewed you and your

1259
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,559
co-writers and people involved with the

1260
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:56,960
show the silver archive check out the

1261
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:59,680
book dark skies by matthew kressel um

1262
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:01,359
awesome awesome book i've i've been

1263
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:03,440
meaning to have matthew on the show to

1264
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,119
talk about it so we'll make that happen

1265
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,960
soon you know there were there were

1266
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,400
times when he was writing it i thought

1267
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:10,160
he knows more about this than i do then

1268
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:11,040
you do

1269
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,280
um because he you know he had to soak it

1270
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,119
all up um

1271
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,599
yeah yeah um you know

1272
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:19,040
i guess the one thing we should say is

1273
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:21,440
for people who who never heard of it or

1274
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:23,680
hadn't seen it or whatever two two quick

1275
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:26,400
things it's it's a show

1276
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,119
that takes place in the 1960s the main

1277
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:31,680
character is a young kid played by eric

1278
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:34,880
close who goes to work in washington dc

1279
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,880
very naive he thinks he knows everything

1280
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:38,720
and he finds out he knows nothing

1281
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:41,119
because before the end of the pilot

1282
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:42,319
he's been

1283
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:45,440
dragooned into being a majestic 12 agent

1284
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:47,599
and he's indirectly responsible for the

1285
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,839
assassination of john kennedy so it's

1286
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:50,960
it's a pretty

1287
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:53,440
wild show and then it goes from the

1288
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:56,000
kennedy assassination through the summer

1289
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:59,040
of love in the uh the run of the next 20

1290
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,359
hours of of shows so that's kind of what

1291
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:03,839
the the series was about and blending

1292
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,400
real facts and real people with ufo and

1293
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:08,880
ufological events and and so forth and

1294
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:10,559
also just uh

1295
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:11,920
while matthew has done a great job

1296
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:14,160
people may want to also see it people

1297
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,240
ask me all the time where do i see this

1298
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,240
and i wish i could say well you know

1299
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,400
it's streaming on netflix or amazon or

1300
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:22,640
something and people could go watch it

1301
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:23,520
but

1302
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:25,920
it's not the only place you can watch it

1303
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,079
right now you can see clips of it i have

1304
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:30,640
a youtube you know uh playlist with a

1305
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,040
lot of clips but um you have to get the

1306
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:36,000
dvd set which shout factory made uh it's

1307
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:38,960
brilliant uh they not only got it all

1308
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:41,119
right but they did four hours of a

1309
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:44,400
documentary which uh was terrific they

1310
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,079
have easter eggs like you there's so

1311
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:48,400
many easter eggs you want to go

1312
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:51,119
hug a bunny there's so many of them and

1313
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:55,200
you know it's just a really great job um

1314
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:57,280
and i just can't say enough about it

1315
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:59,200
they did a terrific job and if anybody

1316
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:01,599
wants to sort of know the show

1317
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,240
and or know this back the behind the

1318
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:06,319
scenes of the show they it does a great

1319
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:07,680
job for it

1320
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:10,240
right and you know i in the age of

1321
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,760
streaming i mean there are very few dvds

1322
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:15,200
i still have bryce i'm going to be

1323
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:16,960
really honest i think i've got the star

1324
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:20,400
wars trilogy i've got the entire x-files

1325
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:22,800
collection and i have dark skies well

1326
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:24,960
you're very that's about it it needs the

1327
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:27,599
stream and i you know i i wonder why it

1328
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:29,359
doesn't stream there are three probably

1329
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:31,839
good answers one of them might be

1330
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:35,119
that the music rights uh can screw it up

1331
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:37,119
because there's a lot of original period

1332
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,839
music and possibly that screws it up the

1333
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:41,680
only reason i say that is

1334
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,720
the dvd set took um

1335
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,880
14 years to release

1336
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:48,960
because of the music rights or at least

1337
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:51,440
that's what they told me and i kept on

1338
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:54,800
him i i never gave up i phoned everybody

1339
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,800
twice a year and said what about it now

1340
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:58,800
what about it now and finally one day

1341
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:00,319
they said you know we have the lawyers

1342
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,160
look at it and i guess we can release it

1343
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:04,079
so they released it and i guess the

1344
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:06,160
third answer would be somebody doesn't

1345
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:09,760
want you to see it oh yeah let's

1346
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,000
we'll get to that whole aspect to all

1347
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:14,880
this um that's the most fascinating part

1348
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:17,920
of um you know kind of what happened

1349
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:18,880
once

1350
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,400
but let's get into the nitty-gritty if

1351
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:24,480
you don't mind bryce i'd love to know

1352
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:26,720
like when did the seed

1353
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:28,720
first kind of get planted into your mind

1354
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,040
to do the series um correct me if i'm

1355
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:33,599
wrong official denial came before that

1356
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:36,240
it came before it yeah okay okay so how

1357
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:37,839
did the idea for

1358
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:39,839
for dark skies come about when did you

1359
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:41,680
get hooked up with your your writing

1360
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:44,480
partner and um yeah tell us how was it

1361
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:46,559
like pitching the show and

1362
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:48,240
all the hollywood stuff if you don't

1363
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:52,000
well i you know um i i literally uh

1364
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:53,440
that's one reason by the way to watch

1365
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:54,960
the dvd because in the four hours of the

1366
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:57,680
documentary you can find the the full

1367
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:58,800
story but

1368
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:00,800
i had um actually

1369
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:03,200
been uh i had pitched

1370
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:05,839
a show about ufos to steven spielberg in

1371
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:08,559
1990 and i'd actually used the name john

1372
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:10,960
lonegaard for my character uh and we

1373
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:12,880
weren't able to sell that even with

1374
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:14,880
spielberg we didn't sell it

1375
00:52:20,270 --> 00:52:16,960
and then i did official denial

1376
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:20,280
which uh became a sci-fi channel film

1377
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,359
1993 i think and then i went on with my

1378
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:25,680
career and i was producing a fox

1379
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:28,000
television series called mantis about

1380
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:30,640
the first african-american superhero and

1381
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,480
my assistant was a

1382
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:34,559
very talented woman named patricia

1383
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:35,839
friedman

1384
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,839
and she heard me and one of our

1385
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:39,599
producers coleman luck talking about

1386
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:41,359
ufos all the time

1387
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:42,240
and

1388
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:45,280
uh she said to me you know you really

1389
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:48,240
need to meet my husband because he's got

1390
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:51,520
some stories so i went out to lunch with

1391
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:53,680
her husband brent friedman

1392
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,640
and he told me a story which i

1393
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,559
don't have the time to go into now but

1394
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:00,480
it was about his neighbor who was a

1395
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:03,520
member of the reagan administration and

1396
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:05,839
uh told him some things and it it just

1397
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,599
curled my toes it was so intriguing

1398
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:11,520
but at least it allowed brent to sort of

1399
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:13,599
cross the threshold where i went this is

1400
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:15,599
a compadre this is a guy that i can

1401
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:19,040
relate to so brent and i uh after mantis

1402
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:21,440
was starting to wrap up started spending

1403
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:23,680
all our time talking about a show that

1404
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:26,160
we were calling dark skies we used my

1405
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:28,240
name again the john lonegaard name for

1406
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:30,240
various reasons but it was not the same

1407
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:32,480
show at all and that's where we came up

1408
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:34,640
with the idea and it was just kind of

1409
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:36,160
the thing that we thought well this

1410
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:39,280
would unlock it we said if roswell was a

1411
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:42,400
true event in 1947 if that really

1412
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:43,520
happened

1413
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:45,119
then

1414
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:49,040
are supposed to have happened for

1415
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:50,720
various reasons might have happened for

1416
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:52,720
different reasons because that means the

1417
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:54,880
biggest story the biggest

1418
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,520
historical event the biggest anything of

1419
00:54:01,829 --> 00:53:59,599
all time the fact that we are not alone

1420
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:01,839
has been hidden and so that's where we

1421
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:04,160
sort of came up with the hidden history

1422
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:06,640
aspect of dark skies that we

1423
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:08,480
we unfolded

1424
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:09,359
uh

1425
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:10,880
you know in the series now what's

1426
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:13,760
interesting is it was an interesting

1427
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:14,720
sale

1428
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:17,680
um because what brent and i did we felt

1429
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:19,760
that it was such a weird idea you know

1430
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:21,359
to say that kennedy might have been

1431
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:23,839
assassinated because our main character

1432
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:25,920
gave him a piece of the roswell wreckage

1433
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:28,079
which seemed pretty radical we thought

1434
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:29,520
you know we need people to really

1435
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:31,839
understand that we can carry the ball

1436
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:34,800
all the way to the end so we wrote a

1437
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:38,400
briefing book a notebook that took

1438
00:54:42,430 --> 00:54:41,599
human history from 65 million bc

1439
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,440
to

1440
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:44,319
2200

1441
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:45,920
and we wrote this and we

1442
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:48,160
cross-referenced historical i mean we

1443
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:50,000
fell in the rabbit hole and we wrote

1444
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:51,920
this briefing book and the thing about

1445
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:55,599
the briefing book was it said

1446
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,480
you have been chosen as an instrument to

1447
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:00,400
bring this television series to the

1448
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:03,680
public because we can't tell the truth

1449
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:04,720
as

1450
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:07,440
nonfiction we have to use the cover of

1451
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:09,520
fiction to tell people the truth all

1452
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,280
right so we have this briefing book all

1453
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,200
right brent and i

1454
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,280
i don't have a copy of it here anyway

1455
00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:17,280
brandon and i take that briefing book

1456
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:19,839
and we wrap it in wrapping paper brown

1457
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:22,960
wrapping paper and we seal it in twine

1458
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:25,200
and we stamp top secret on it and we put

1459
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:28,160
labels on it and everything and then on

1460
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:29,359
one day

1461
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,760
jeff seganski who was our

1462
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:33,920
angel on this whole thing he and i brent

1463
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:36,400
was out of town i don't remember why but

1464
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:39,920
siganski and i went to abc nbc and cbs

1465
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,280
and we presented them with their

1466
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:43,200
notebooks we told them a little bit

1467
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:44,720
about the show and then we said we're

1468
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:47,440
just going to leave you this notebook

1469
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:50,079
so here's what they so we leave their

1470
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,160
offices and we thought well it's

1471
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:54,480
interactive what will they do well

1472
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:57,760
there's this notebook in a in brown

1473
00:56:03,270 --> 00:55:58,880
paper

1474
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,280
so that required getting scissors or

1475
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:05,280
getting an assistant in there they take

1476
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:07,200
the twine off then they had to cut the

1477
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:09,200
wrapping paper and now there's this

1478
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:11,599
notebook but it's got a gold foil seal

1479
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,079
on it so you can't just open it up and

1480
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:16,799
it says on the outside that if you open

1481
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:19,839
this thing up you accept the penalties

1482
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:22,640
for treason if you betray it

1483
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,799
if you betray without

1484
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:27,119
and so we just were laughing thinking

1485
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:29,760
or network presidents that now are

1486
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:31,200
asking themselves

1487
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:32,079
what

1488
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:33,440
treason

1489
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,880
what and

1490
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:36,720
but by the end of the day we had two

1491
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:39,280
offers one from nbc one from cbs and we

1492
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:40,720
went with nbc

1493
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:44,000
man that is a sales pitch if i've ever i

1494
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:45,599
would i would give to have one of those

1495
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:47,599
briefing books if you end up

1496
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:50,559
finding one bryce uh let me know i will

1497
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:53,680
pay any price help me guys in the super

1498
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:55,839
chat if you want us to have the briefing

1499
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,440
book help us

1500
00:57:02,630 --> 00:56:59,760
yeah well i'll tell you something too uh

1501
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:02,640
what i was really uh touched uh last

1502
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:05,599
year or a year or two ago uh somebody

1503
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:07,839
put together an article about the the

1504
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:10,880
best i think it was the best 21

1505
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:12,799
bibles ever written for a television

1506
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:14,559
series and it was listed as one of them

1507
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:16,559
so i was very proud of that that's

1508
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:18,960
awesome man the love and care you guys

1509
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:21,200
gave into this story which eventually

1510
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:23,280
you know would have to be

1511
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,720
truncated um in terms of how it was told

1512
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:28,559
and the whole i mean we know the

1513
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:31,119
business we we unfortunately you know

1514
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:32,640
you didn't have as much time as you

1515
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:34,720
would wanted to tell the story sure but

1516
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:37,280
how do you feel are you satisfied with

1517
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:38,960
how it all played out obviously it would

1518
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:40,799
have been great just run for five

1519
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:43,359
seasons but not tell your whole story

1520
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,000
but um you know i think whenever i

1521
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:48,720
rewatch the series yeah i i

1522
00:58:31,750 --> 00:57:50,160
i

1523
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:31,760
90 of what we

1524
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:33,760
we set out to do

1525
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:34,960
you know we

1526
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:37,599
but i won't say it was easy um

1527
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:39,520
i'm actually working on a book right now

1528
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:42,000
and i may be able to tell the whole

1529
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:44,000
freaking story someday

1530
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,480
but we ran across some serious

1531
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:49,200
obstruction obstruction from on one

1532
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:50,720
level from people who said they were

1533
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:52,799
from the office of naval intelligence

1534
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:54,559
which was pretty interesting

1535
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:58,400
and obstruction from a very high powered

1536
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:00,880
hollywood heavyweight that led this

1537
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:03,280
studio to tell us to get our guys out of

1538
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:05,680
black suits

1539
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:08,640
and when i protested that men in black

1540
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:11,280
was a staple of ufology

1541
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:12,160
the

1542
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:14,400
studio executive said stay where you are

1543
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:16,400
i'm coming down and that studio

1544
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,640
executive came down to the set and said

1545
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:20,880
bryce i'm going to explain this to you

1546
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:23,680
in words that i think you can understand

1547
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:25,599
you will get your people out of the

1548
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:27,359
black suits today

1549
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:28,240
or

1550
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:30,640
we will shut down your production and

1551
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:33,119
burn the negative

1552
00:59:37,109 --> 00:59:34,319
man

1553
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:37,119
and then he went back to the office

1554
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:38,720
and he wasn't kidding

1555
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:39,839
he was not

1556
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:42,000
now at the time he said that we had to

1557
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:44,559
order for six episodes which meant that

1558
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:47,040
that the company it was at columbia tv

1559
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:49,119
at the time was willing to say yeah

1560
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,799
never mind we won't make those six

1561
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:52,319
episodes

1562
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:53,200
hmm

1563
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:55,040
yeah and you know we hear these stories

1564
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:57,040
bryce of when it comes to the ufo topic

1565
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:57,839
being

1566
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:00,000
portrayed on television or movies you

1567
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,480
know sort of the infiltration or

1568
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:04,319
influence that the government might have

1569
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:06,720
on these projects we know you know fbi

1570
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:09,359
agents were on set at the x-files we

1571
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:12,720
know um area 51 employees were

1572
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:15,760
were uh cooperating with independence

1573
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:17,760
day when that movie came out like this

1574
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:19,599
has been a long marriage between

1575
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:20,799
military

1576
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:23,599
government and hollywood

1577
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:25,839
you're right but that story i just told

1578
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:27,680
didn't involve the government or if it

1579
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:28,400
did

1580
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:29,920
it

1581
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:35,760
other hollywood

1582
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:37,440
producer types

1583
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:39,760
okay who were who were

1584
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,680
had a power play going to get us off the

1585
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:43,440
air

1586
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:45,839
okay now the people who came the people

1587
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:48,160
when i say office of naval intelligence

1588
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:50,000
on the night of the dark skies party in

1589
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:51,920
this house where i am right now out in

1590
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:55,280
our backyard we had 200 people show up

1591
01:01:01,109 --> 01:00:58,000
who were part of the cast and the crew

1592
01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:01,119
to watch the premiere and guy a guy who

1593
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:02,799
said he was from the office of naval

1594
01:01:07,829 --> 01:01:04,960
intelligence um

1595
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:07,839
came br the party crashed us

1596
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:09,359
and said that he had come because they

1597
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:11,599
had seen our pilot and they thought it

1598
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:13,760
was pretty good and i said nobody's seen

1599
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:16,079
the pilot yet it hasn't even aired and

1600
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:18,720
he proceeded to tell me what was in it

1601
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:20,000
and um

1602
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:22,480
they he said we're i've been sent to

1603
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:24,960
offer our help to help you get it a

1604
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:27,040
little more accurate

1605
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:29,839
interesting yeah now is this the story

1606
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:33,280
that kind of led you to a uh a cemetery

1607
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:34,960
yeah am i right

1608
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:37,440
and again there's way more details than

1609
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:40,240
what i can say here but

1610
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:42,319
that gentleman

1611
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:45,520
who said he was from oh and i

1612
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:47,680
i had 200 people at my house and i was

1613
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:49,680
throwing a party and i just said you

1614
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:52,640
know i don't know who you are for sure

1615
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,880
but i didn't invite you into my house

1616
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:56,240
and i'm gonna ask you i'm gonna invite

1617
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:58,480
you now to leave and i

1618
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:01,200
i had him leave and um

1619
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,160
in the next week he contacted brent my

1620
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:06,720
partner and said okay i can see that

1621
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:09,280
your uh your buddy bryce isn't you know

1622
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:12,079
the isn't going to be easy he he needs a

1623
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:14,400
little more proof so i

1624
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:16,720
i bet it's been approved for me to bring

1625
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:20,240
a guy that i work with my my superior to

1626
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:22,400
meet with you guys the dark skies so

1627
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:24,720
this guy and this other guy show up at

1628
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:27,760
dark skies and proceed to

1629
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,720
lay down what they said was the secrets

1630
01:02:36,069 --> 01:02:32,480
of the universe for two hours in our

1631
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:36,079
conference room and again i said well

1632
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:38,079
this has all been fascinating

1633
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:40,880
but um i don't really know who you guys

1634
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:43,280
are and i have a show to run and nbc

1635
01:02:47,829 --> 01:02:45,599
doesn't really care if i've talked to o

1636
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:47,839
and i or haven't talked to o and i they

1637
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:50,400
care that i get the show done on time so

1638
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,039
we're done today thank you goodbye

1639
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:55,440
so i threw them out a second time

1640
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:58,720
and that's when they contacted us

1641
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:01,440
again and said i guess bryce really has

1642
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:03,680
a problem with this so maybe he needs to

1643
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:05,280
see the big guy

1644
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:07,440
and that's when they said and and it

1645
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:09,280
always sounds so stupid it sounds

1646
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:11,760
ridiculous what i'm about to say and yet

1647
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:13,680
it happened so what can i tell you

1648
01:03:17,109 --> 01:03:15,680
sometimes the phenomenon

1649
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:17,119
does

1650
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:19,920
sound ridiculous oh yeah and that's true

1651
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:22,559
so what uh what the guy said was all

1652
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:23,760
right well

1653
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:26,480
the boss is on a ship in long beach

1654
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:27,599
harbor

1655
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:30,640
and he's agreed to meet with you guys

1656
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:33,119
and the meeting is all set up and it

1657
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:36,160
will take place in um

1658
01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:40,160
in a cemetery in long beach at midnight

1659
01:03:47,109 --> 01:03:44,480
and i said to him for the third time

1660
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:47,119
i have three children and a wife and um

1661
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:49,520
i'm not meeting anybody in any cemetery

1662
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:50,640
at midnight

1663
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:52,079
and that was the last time we ever heard

1664
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:53,520
from him

1665
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:56,480
wow i love and i know there's a lot more

1666
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:58,799
to it yeah i definitely suggest people

1667
01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:01,039
seek out the dvds check out that's true

1668
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:04,480
special features um god i look like i

1669
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:05,760
should be in a cemetery i don't know

1670
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:07,760
what's going on with my lighting braces

1671
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:09,520
you know it's funny though ryan i just

1672
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:11,599
was talking to brent last week and we

1673
01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:14,000
said um you know what would be a great

1674
01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:16,480
television series the two producers go

1675
01:04:20,710 --> 01:04:19,039
to the cemetery yes

1676
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:20,720
that's the alternative i'd like to see

1677
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:23,039
what happened you know and and suddenly

1678
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:25,280
find themselves inside the ufo cover-up

1679
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:27,839
but they can't tell anybody right

1680
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:30,400
well you know and that's a hypothetical

1681
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:32,240
a lot of people get asked like if you

1682
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:34,720
were given the keys to all the answers

1683
01:04:37,029 --> 01:04:36,079
but you couldn't share it with the

1684
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:37,039
public

1685
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:38,880
would you would you want to know would

1686
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:41,280
you share it you know and i kind of feel

1687
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:42,559
like that's

1688
01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:43,760
that's

1689
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:44,799
what you're into

1690
01:04:49,349 --> 01:04:47,599
that's tough because i like i kind of

1691
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:49,359
look at your character your main

1692
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:51,520
character in the show lone garden be

1693
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:54,559
even like god if i knew you know

1694
01:04:59,670 --> 01:04:57,359
everything that was going on um but i

1695
01:05:02,950 --> 01:04:59,680
wasn't allowed to say anything

1696
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:05,109
that see and this is the journey of your

1697
01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:08,960
character yes like what do you do

1698
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:11,599
um what do you do who do you tell

1699
01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:12,880
so i don't know it's kind of like

1700
01:05:17,349 --> 01:05:15,039
elizondo today and that's what i want to

1701
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:17,359
talk to you about how dark skies is kind

1702
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:20,079
of um telling a story we're seeing play

1703
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:22,240
out right now with de long and and

1704
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:25,280
elizondo and all that stuff of um

1705
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:27,359
you know people have asked alexander and

1706
01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:28,799
long

1707
01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:30,720
if the public knew some of the stuff you

1708
01:05:33,670 --> 01:05:32,480
guys are now privy to when it comes to

1709
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:33,680
this topic

1710
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:36,559
um how would they feel and both of them

1711
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:38,720
have said on several occasions

1712
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:39,839
very

1713
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:40,880
uh

1714
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:43,280
what was the word um

1715
01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:45,760
somber i think elizondo used and de long

1716
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:48,160
said they would be horrified

1717
01:05:51,029 --> 01:05:48,960
so

1718
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:51,039
that just like a million things start

1719
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:52,160
going through your head in that

1720
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:54,640
ambiguity that they're using but i mean

1721
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:56,559
i don't know it's the greatest of all

1722
01:06:01,510 --> 01:05:58,640
time because i you know i want to pin

1723
01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:01,520
them down i want to get tom delong and

1724
01:06:06,150 --> 01:06:04,079
uh lou elizondo and lock him in this

1725
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:06,160
office and say i'm not even gonna feed

1726
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:07,280
you guys

1727
01:06:11,190 --> 01:06:09,039
until you and you can't go to the

1728
01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:11,200
bathroom until you tell me what's going

1729
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:12,799
on because

1730
01:06:15,670 --> 01:06:14,640
you know it's just too much it's too

1731
01:06:16,630 --> 01:06:15,680
crazy

1732
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:16,640
and

1733
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:19,359
listen uh i don't know whether

1734
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:22,079
we should attribute de long with you

1735
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:24,160
know speaking the revealed truth but i

1736
01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:25,839
look at lou elizondo as a pretty

1737
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:27,359
straight shooting guy

1738
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:30,559
and if lou elizondo is that troubled

1739
01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:33,200
i'm troubled yeah

1740
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:34,559
really good point

1741
01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:37,280
absolutely i couldn't agree more um well

1742
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:39,440
we did have one question here sure i'd

1743
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:42,000
love to ask you bryce um rodrigo says

1744
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:44,240
did dark skies have a character based on

1745
01:06:48,069 --> 01:06:45,599
bob bigelow

1746
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:48,079
any any sort of entrepreneurs in your

1747
01:06:51,910 --> 01:06:49,760
show who were trying to buy their way

1748
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:51,920
into the disclosure

1749
01:06:57,029 --> 01:06:54,240
there would have been it's

1750
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:57,039
a good it's a great question um

1751
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:58,880
not in season one

1752
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,960
we were going to go there and partly

1753
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:02,319
because

1754
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:04,319
we were going to our sort of five-year

1755
01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:05,760
arc if you will

1756
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:07,200
was going to take

1757
01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:10,160
the majestic 12 organization from being

1758
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:13,599
primarily a governmental slash military

1759
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:16,160
organization and slowly take it off

1760
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:18,880
shelf and make it private enterprise

1761
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:20,400
which is what i sort of believe has

1762
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:22,960
probably happened anyway so yeah there

1763
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:24,480
would have been we wouldn't have called

1764
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:26,160
him bob bigelow and he would have been a

1765
01:07:32,230 --> 01:07:29,359
composite character of other people plus

1766
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:32,240
some stuff that we you know added to it

1767
01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:34,000
um but that would have definitely been a

1768
01:07:36,789 --> 01:07:35,680
part of the series because it would have

1769
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:36,799
to be

1770
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:37,680
yeah

1771
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:39,680
and but you know the the whole concept

1772
01:07:43,829 --> 01:07:41,920
of the series was because it came out in

1773
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:43,839
96 97

1774
01:07:48,150 --> 01:07:45,839
uh our goal was

1775
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:48,160
to get five seasons so in the fifth

1776
01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:50,720
season we would hit the millennium

1777
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:52,960
where we were gonna have a big

1778
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:55,359
big reveal

1779
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:57,520
at the millennium about what was really

1780
01:08:01,270 --> 01:08:00,079
going on and so we were going to climb

1781
01:08:02,230 --> 01:08:01,280
through the

1782
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:02,240
um

1783
01:08:07,029 --> 01:08:04,240
the decades so season two would have

1784
01:08:09,430 --> 01:08:07,039
been into the 70s and 80s

1785
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:09,440
and 90s and so when we hit the sort of

1786
01:08:13,029 --> 01:08:11,599
the 80s 90s we would have seen that kind

1787
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:13,039
of character

1788
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:15,200
interest yeah and that's kind of how the

1789
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:17,920
ufo topic plays itself out it seems yeah

1790
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:20,400
in decades too you know you had the

1791
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:22,880
atomic age you had the saucers then it

1792
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:26,080
moved up to free love in the 60s for the

1793
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:27,600
contactees

1794
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:29,920
boom 90s 80s 90s hit and you've got

1795
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:32,640
these terrifying grays abducting people

1796
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:34,960
it's crazy how that seems to work and i

1797
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:35,920
could see

1798
01:08:40,149 --> 01:08:38,480
a show like dark skies really leaning

1799
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:40,159
into that threat you know

1800
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,839
you know the other thing is

1801
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:43,920
i i'm grateful for all the people over

1802
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:47,199
the years uh who have said how

1803
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:49,359
how it affected them impacted them and

1804
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:51,440
they liked its interweaving of history

1805
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:53,199
and all that you know but the truth of

1806
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:55,279
the matter is uh we were also

1807
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,520
interweaving a lot of drama that

1808
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:59,279
you know we weren't we weren't trying to

1809
01:09:01,749 --> 01:09:00,960
be a documentary

1810
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:01,759
right

1811
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:04,000
we were just trying to tell a good story

1812
01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:06,400
but we were trying to do it in a way

1813
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:08,719
um that was more faithful to the

1814
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:10,400
historical record and what we were

1815
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:12,960
trying to do was just say okay

1816
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,799
if you're coming with us for this ride

1817
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:16,159
there's only one thing that we're

1818
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:19,359
actually saying is dead dead honest true

1819
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:21,520
and that is there's a hidden history

1820
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:23,920
because there has to be it's implied if

1821
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:26,719
roswell happened and ufos and flying

1822
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:29,359
saucers are real and yet nobody admits

1823
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:31,520
it then there's a hidden history and so

1824
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:33,520
that's what i think when people respond

1825
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:36,080
to really liking dark skies i think

1826
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:38,319
that's what they're saying is that um

1827
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:40,480
instead of placing it in the present and

1828
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:42,400
sort of sort of having this big

1829
01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:44,640
amorphous cover up in the present

1830
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:46,319
we were saying

1831
01:09:51,030 --> 01:09:48,480
wait a second our future is written in

1832
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:51,040
our past before you go get all upset

1833
01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:52,799
about today

1834
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:55,920
just admit to yourself that

1835
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:58,239
the whole history of what you grew up

1836
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:00,480
with has been deprived of you

1837
01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:02,640
and think about it when when we actually

1838
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:05,840
have disclosure uh sooner than later

1839
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:07,440
those history books are going to have to

1840
01:10:11,669 --> 01:10:09,600
be rewritten and what what happens for

1841
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:11,679
example we talked about betty and barney

1842
01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:14,000
maybe there's a memo someplace

1843
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:16,159
that comes out where they tell us what

1844
01:10:19,990 --> 01:10:18,159
really happened to betty and barney

1845
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:20,000
right i mean we don't know right now but

1846
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:21,760
there's been a a history that's been

1847
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:23,520
hidden from us

1848
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:25,840
yeah yeah and i mean look at you know a

1849
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:27,840
few days ago we learned that

1850
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:31,040
humans were possibly in north america

1851
01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:32,960
thousands and thousands of years before

1852
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:35,199
we first thought i mean we're still

1853
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:36,400
finding

1854
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:39,920
evidence that changes our entire history

1855
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:41,679
um so if that were to happen even a

1856
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:43,840
small sliver of that within the ufo

1857
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:46,960
field of roswell being interplanetary or

1858
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:50,400
rendulcham being a psyop of some sort it

1859
01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:52,239
would change everything we're talking

1860
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:53,040
about

1861
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:55,280
today when it comes to this topic i

1862
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:57,679
would you know it was

1863
01:11:01,750 --> 01:10:59,920
funny thing i don't uh this just

1864
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:01,760
happened i won't go into all the details

1865
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:05,760
but on december 17 2017 which is the day

1866
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:07,760
of the new york times article

1867
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:11,120
i was talking with dan aykroyd about

1868
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:13,040
actually about captured i was talking to

1869
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:14,719
dan aykroyd

1870
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:16,800
via email and phone about the betty and

1871
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:18,960
barney story and i have a phone message

1872
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:21,120
from him that day where he's just he's

1873
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:23,199
just saying have you seen this thing

1874
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:25,199
this world is going to change man this

1875
01:11:31,030 --> 01:11:27,600
world is going to change and

1876
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:31,040
you know it is we are arguably we are

1877
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:33,920
we are on the verge and

1878
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:40,709
i don't think i understand everything

1879
01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:42,960
well enough to say that that's cause for

1880
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:44,239
celebration

1881
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:46,880
i do believe it's it's absolutely

1882
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:49,840
necessary it has to happen it's been

1883
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:53,520
overdue but in in many ways

1884
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:55,679
it's going to be

1885
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:57,360
the

1886
01:12:03,030 --> 01:12:01,040
having that old family trunk and you're

1887
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:03,040
going through it and you've you've led

1888
01:12:07,910 --> 01:12:05,840
this life where your parents were you

1889
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:07,920
know perfect people or whatever and you

1890
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:10,159
find some document in the trunk that

1891
01:12:14,070 --> 01:12:13,040
says your father was arrested

1892
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:14,080
for

1893
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:18,640
served seven years in prison and you're

1894
01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:20,800
like what okay well we're gonna have

1895
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:23,679
that on a societal basis where

1896
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:25,440
the things that come out of that trunk

1897
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:26,960
are going to be shocking

1898
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:29,520
and they may not make us feel good they

1899
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:30,239
may

1900
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:32,320
leave us disturbed but

1901
01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:34,080
let's put it this way

1902
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:35,840
in the last few years we've lived

1903
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:37,760
through a pandemic which certainly

1904
01:12:41,590 --> 01:12:40,159
disturbed us on an existential level

1905
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:41,600
we've lived through political

1906
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:44,159
instability of the greatest kind and

1907
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:47,120
we've hoarded toilet paper so you know

1908
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:48,320
we're probably going to hoard some

1909
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:50,960
toilet paper again when we reveal

1910
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:53,920
ufos and their reality to us

1911
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:55,840
and there may be some darker secrets as

1912
01:12:59,669 --> 01:12:57,280
well

1913
01:13:02,390 --> 01:12:59,679
absolutely you know there's i don't know

1914
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:02,400
here's your headline by the way

1915
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:05,600
toilet paper shortages in disclosure

1916
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:08,000
that's the the um supplemental chapter

1917
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:10,560
for a.d after disclosure yeah

1918
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:12,320
it's crazy bad because i think about

1919
01:13:15,990 --> 01:13:14,000
that i'm like why is this all happening

1920
01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:16,000
now in the middle of the pandemic in the

1921
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:17,920
middle of political strife here in

1922
01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:20,719
america and all over the world all these

1923
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:22,640
crazy things happening and of course

1924
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:24,719
right in the middle of that is like the

1925
01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:26,960
most we've ever gotten from the us

1926
01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:29,120
government on you know the ufo topic

1927
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:31,040
right it's got a short plan that way

1928
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:32,880
yeah i'm just not sure you get to choose

1929
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:35,360
those things and so true you know part

1930
01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:36,640
of me uh

1931
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:37,920
you know for a while i've been going

1932
01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:38,719
well

1933
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:40,000
you know

1934
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:42,000
maybe it's not the right time you can

1935
01:13:47,189 --> 01:13:44,400
you can make that argument but i can't

1936
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:47,199
make that argument i feel like um i

1937
01:13:51,189 --> 01:13:49,120
wrote an article a few months ago or a

1938
01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:51,199
month ago called code red for disclosure

1939
01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:52,400
because

1940
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:53,600
you know there are people talking about

1941
01:13:57,990 --> 01:13:55,280
it's code red for planet earth and

1942
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:58,000
survival and all that

1943
01:14:02,390 --> 01:14:01,120
i think there's no choice right now but

1944
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:02,400
to just say

1945
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:03,679
um

1946
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:05,280
we are so

1947
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:08,000
fractured and fragmented and disturbed

1948
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:10,239
as a species right now we're at each

1949
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:12,000
other's throats we're threatening each

1950
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:14,960
other we can't seem to agree on anything

1951
01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:17,120
so

1952
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:19,120
we

1953
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:24,080
and tell the truth about whatever it is

1954
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:26,400
because whatever it is

1955
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:30,239
has at least one positive possibility

1956
01:14:33,430 --> 01:14:31,520
which is

1957
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:33,440
when we find out we're not alone for

1958
01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:34,640
real

1959
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:36,159
it may make us

1960
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:38,400
appreciate our shared humanity a little

1961
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:42,560
bit more and so i say roll the dice roll

1962
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:44,480
the dice rip that band-aid off you're

1963
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:46,560
right and i think humans are a lot more

1964
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:49,199
resilient than we we often think and i

1965
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:51,760
think we can handle the truth it might

1966
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:54,320
not be easy it might not be what we want

1967
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:55,440
but uh

1968
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:58,000
let's let's go there i always say like

1969
01:15:02,390 --> 01:14:59,920
yeah i want answers i probably won't

1970
01:15:05,189 --> 01:15:02,400
like the answers i get but i want them

1971
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:05,199
um so yeah i don't forever for whatever

1972
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:06,880
that's worth rodrigo

1973
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:09,040
bryce actually has a great question here

1974
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:11,040
how does this present moment compare to

1975
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:13,600
your book 80 after disclosure again a

1976
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:15,440
lot of these hypotheticals you guys

1977
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:17,760
wrote in this book sure are we're seeing

1978
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:20,159
play out right now and you guys were not

1979
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:22,880
far off on a lot of this stuff

1980
01:15:29,189 --> 01:15:26,480
rodrigo that's a a a good question um

1981
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:29,199
um about where we are in it currently

1982
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:30,560
and and uh

1983
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:32,880
and ryan you you bring up something we

1984
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:34,880
made a lot of predictions and some of

1985
01:15:37,990 --> 01:15:35,920
them were right on like one of the

1986
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:38,000
things we said in chapter one is if they

1987
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:39,360
were ever going to have official

1988
01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:41,280
disclosure they would do it on a friday

1989
01:15:44,950 --> 01:15:43,280
afternoon after four o'clock

1990
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:44,960
right that was the first thing i noticed

1991
01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:47,760
man yeah you can sort of bury it uh and

1992
01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:49,520
and you can sort of use the weekend to

1993
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:51,520
ascertain how people are going to deal

1994
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:53,199
with it and when did they release the

1995
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:56,560
uap report on june 25th on friday after

1996
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:57,840
four o'clock

1997
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:00,000
yeah so i found that conditioning now to

1998
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:02,560
rodrigo's question though um how does

1999
01:16:08,709 --> 01:16:06,400
this present moment uh compare well

2000
01:16:12,149 --> 01:16:08,719
we spent some time in in after

2001
01:16:15,110 --> 01:16:12,159
disclosure uh sort of talking about how

2002
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:15,120
the bc world becomes the ad world bc

2003
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:17,920
before confirmation ad after disclosure

2004
01:16:22,390 --> 01:16:20,000
and there's two ways that you can get

2005
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:22,400
from bc to ad

2006
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,640
and i'll just use the movie metaphor you

2007
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:26,719
can either have a hard cut

2008
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:27,920
right

2009
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:31,199
ufo lands on the white house lawn okay

2010
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:33,520
disclosure done hard cut

2011
01:16:38,790 --> 01:16:36,320
or you can have what we are experiencing

2012
01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:38,800
now which is a slow dissolve

2013
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:40,960
from bc to a d

2014
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:41,920
so

2015
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:44,800
um i i think it compares favorably in

2016
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:45,760
that

2017
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:47,760
while we didn't pick one as being more

2018
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:49,840
likely than the other nor did we say

2019
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:52,159
that it was either black or white but it

2020
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:58,149
we certainly laid out those two

2021
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:00,560
possibilities and and it seems clear to

2022
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:02,960
me that just because you're in a slow

2023
01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:05,040
dissolve right now doesn't mean that you

2024
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:06,719
might not wake up tomorrow morning and

2025
01:17:11,709 --> 01:17:09,120
realize you're in a hard cut right all

2026
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:11,719
it would take is something

2027
01:17:16,669 --> 01:17:15,040
incontrovertible um and and the

2028
01:17:18,950 --> 01:17:16,679
interesting thing is the

2029
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:18,960
incontrovertible proof no longer has to

2030
01:17:22,669 --> 01:17:20,800
come just from the government it can

2031
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:22,679
come from people and the

2032
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:24,960
uncontrovertible truth no longer has to

2033
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:26,960
come just from the united states it

2034
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:29,280
might come from china or russia or the

2035
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:32,640
vatican or brazil or france or the

2036
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:35,520
united kingdom right so there's

2037
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:37,920
there might be a disclosure race that

2038
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:40,159
leaps us forward so imagine if the

2039
01:17:45,189 --> 01:17:42,000
united states were to

2040
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:45,199
turn up evidence right now that china

2041
01:17:50,229 --> 01:17:46,880
was about to

2042
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:50,239
make a very pro-disclosure statement

2043
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:52,640
and we had it on good authority our

2044
01:17:56,830 --> 01:17:54,800
sources were impeccable and we knew that

2045
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:56,840
they were going to do it next

2046
01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:59,280
tuesday don't you think we might do it

2047
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:01,440
on monday

2048
01:18:06,310 --> 01:18:03,360
that's such a good point it's like a new

2049
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:06,320
cold war yeah of trying to understand

2050
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:08,320
the phenomena understand the technology

2051
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:10,159
behind it i think that's what we're

2052
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:12,560
seeing when it comes to this uap task

2053
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:14,080
force and whatnot what we're seeing

2054
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:16,239
displayed in these navy ufo videos

2055
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:19,280
they're not looking at it as wow aliens

2056
01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:21,679
they're looking at it as whoa our plane

2057
01:18:26,070 --> 01:18:24,400
can't do that if that's china or russia

2058
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:26,080
we're in trouble so we got to figure

2059
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:28,320
that out it's almost like this new race

2060
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:30,719
of intelligence or counter intelligence

2061
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:32,880
being played out i i sort of see you

2062
01:18:36,790 --> 01:18:34,960
know it's i'll tell you the one thing

2063
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:36,800
this is again apropos of everything

2064
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:38,800
you've just been saying and what rodrigo

2065
01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:42,239
was saying is i don't think um

2066
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:44,880
anybody quite saw this coming this way i

2067
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:48,000
mean no i didn't see trump coming right

2068
01:18:51,910 --> 01:18:51,120
um so we didn't have trump in in the

2069
01:18:53,590 --> 01:18:51,920
book

2070
01:18:56,709 --> 01:18:53,600
and that kind of disturbance in the

2071
01:18:57,910 --> 01:18:56,719
force if you will and we we didn't have

2072
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:57,920
um

2073
01:19:02,950 --> 01:18:59,840
you know who would have predicted that

2074
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:02,960
rock star tom de long would be this key

2075
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:03,760
guy

2076
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:05,920
um and who would have predicted that

2077
01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:07,679
luella zondo

2078
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:09,120
i think you could have predicted a

2079
01:19:13,350 --> 01:19:11,920
luelzando as a whistleblower kind of guy

2080
01:19:15,669 --> 01:19:13,360
but who would have predicted he'd have

2081
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:15,679
the longevity to just be hanging out

2082
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:18,080
there making the kind of statements he's

2083
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:20,640
making and not being shut up by somebody

2084
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:23,840
right so we predicted a lot of things

2085
01:19:28,149 --> 01:19:26,320
many things were in the ballpark with um

2086
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:28,159
some other things we just never even

2087
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:29,440
spoke about because who would

2088
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:32,960
necessarily get it quite that specific

2089
01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:34,320
um

2090
01:19:40,149 --> 01:19:37,520
and and i think what the intent of after

2091
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:40,159
disclosure was just to say that uh while

2092
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:42,560
we don't know exactly what the specifics

2093
01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:44,800
are about everything we do know that in

2094
01:19:49,830 --> 01:19:47,600
general everything will change

2095
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:49,840
everything absolutely there isn't one

2096
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:51,840
thing that's not going to change it's

2097
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:53,440
all going to change

2098
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:56,080
everything yeah everything agreed agreed

2099
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:58,239
yeah um gary voorhees is in the chat

2100
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:01,199
here bryce he is one of the uh nimitz

2101
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:05,920
witnesses and also the head of uapx um a

2102
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:08,480
amazing group putting real data and

2103
01:20:12,629 --> 01:20:10,480
science out there to explore these

2104
01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:12,639
phenomena same with sky 4. so this is

2105
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:14,159
kind of this kind of goes back to what

2106
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:16,480
um we were talking about earlier of um

2107
01:20:19,830 --> 01:20:18,480
science kind of taking the front seat

2108
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:19,840
now with this topic it's not the

2109
01:20:25,270 --> 01:20:22,480
government per se like let them do their

2110
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:25,280
potential threat thing let them create

2111
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:27,360
the permanent office but it truly comes

2112
01:20:30,310 --> 01:20:28,159
down

2113
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:30,320
to the evidence the data and the science

2114
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:32,480
behind this so you have people like avi

2115
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:35,600
loeb you have people like uapx um and

2116
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:38,239
other groups the galileo project with

2117
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:40,320
um like i mentioned avilov in finding

2118
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:43,040
techno signatures you have this new

2119
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:46,560
i think um excitement to study this

2120
01:20:50,629 --> 01:20:48,400
phenomena scientifically you've

2121
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:50,639
highlighted uh one of the drivers of

2122
01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:54,000
disclosure which would be um

2123
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:56,320
science and i agree that's

2124
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:58,320
you know two key ones we've always

2125
01:21:01,990 --> 01:21:00,159
looked at it as a zero-sum game with

2126
01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:02,000
this with a

2127
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:03,840
government and now we're sort of adding

2128
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:06,880
in science okay but the thing that we've

2129
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:09,120
not added in and i just wonder if it's

2130
01:21:13,510 --> 01:21:11,199
not the missing element in this thing

2131
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:13,520
which is social activism

2132
01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:16,560
right we just really haven't added that

2133
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:17,840
um

2134
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:21,760
no one is credibly stepping forward as a

2135
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:24,320
social activist on this i mean if i mean

2136
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:25,679
there's a few people that have tried but

2137
01:21:30,229 --> 01:21:27,679
hasn't caught on

2138
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:30,239
and i wonder because

2139
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:32,080
in america anyway that's kind of what it

2140
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:34,480
takes it took social activism to get

2141
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:35,840
civil rights

2142
01:21:40,149 --> 01:21:38,560
right it took social activism to end the

2143
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:40,159
vietnam war

2144
01:21:45,669 --> 01:21:43,120
so why do we think that we'll get the

2145
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:45,679
answers that are needed if there isn't

2146
01:21:50,709 --> 01:21:48,480
some form of social activism and i don't

2147
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:50,719
look at social activism as having a

2148
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:52,560
healthy twitter feed

2149
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:55,040
right i i mean i have a healthy twitter

2150
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:56,639
feed but i don't think i'm changing the

2151
01:22:00,950 --> 01:21:58,480
world and i don't think that's how the

2152
01:22:01,830 --> 01:22:00,960
world changes the world changes when

2153
01:22:03,590 --> 01:22:01,840
people

2154
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:03,600
get in

2155
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:06,000
the powers that be in their faces and

2156
01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:07,600
demand answers

2157
01:22:15,669 --> 01:22:11,360
and so when i see an entire presidential

2158
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:15,679
election uh transpire in 2020 with god

2159
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:18,239
knows how many debates i mean

2160
01:22:25,270 --> 01:22:21,440
debate after debate after debate with 17

2161
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:25,280
candidates and not one single

2162
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:28,800
question about uap

2163
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:31,360
yeah that doesn't cut it

2164
01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:35,040
right you know it just doesn't cut it so

2165
01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:36,000
something

2166
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:39,920
that equation and i you know i don't

2167
01:22:42,550 --> 01:22:41,280
know who it's going to be i mean in a

2168
01:22:44,470 --> 01:22:42,560
way i guess you could say well tom

2169
01:22:46,870 --> 01:22:44,480
delonge is you know he was

2170
01:22:49,350 --> 01:22:46,880
i mean but it's not social activism

2171
01:22:52,149 --> 01:22:49,360
because he's not he's not reaching out

2172
01:22:54,390 --> 01:22:52,159
to his followers and saying i need 30

2173
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:54,400
000 of you to march down wilshire

2174
01:22:59,669 --> 01:22:56,560
boulevard with signs tomorrow night

2175
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:59,679
right i mean no one's quite doing that

2176
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:01,679
and maybe they have to maybe we'll have

2177
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:03,600
to you know and i don't look at social

2178
01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:07,679
activism as the silly uh you know race

2179
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:11,120
to area 51 or whatever um

2180
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:12,320
yeah storm

2181
01:23:17,030 --> 01:23:14,400
that's not socializing about that

2182
01:23:18,629 --> 01:23:17,040
yeah i mean that isn't that's not what

2183
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:18,639
you know i'm not saying you got to be

2184
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:22,400
perfect but you got to be serious

2185
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:24,639
and excited

2186
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:26,800
we should i think acknowledge here uh

2187
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:29,199
the work done by luis jimenez and the

2188
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:31,360
unidentified celebrity review and doing

2189
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:34,560
two of their events to big bone homes

2190
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:36,960
to write their congress people and it

2191
01:23:40,149 --> 01:23:38,960
was awesome to see it that is social

2192
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:40,159
activism

2193
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:42,880
that is and i guess what i'm saying is

2194
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:45,679
it didn't you know it didn't move to it

2195
01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:47,520
hasn't yet might

2196
01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:49,840
hasn't yet moved to that next level

2197
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:50,639
where

2198
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:52,000
you know

2199
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:54,159
serious people come in and say here's a

2200
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:56,239
check for a hundred grand exactly you

2201
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:58,480
know let's go do this

2202
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:00,560
you're not seeing that yet

2203
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:03,120
exactly yeah i know hopefully in time

2204
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:05,600
maybe we will um but you know putting

2205
01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:07,360
the power back into the people's hands i

2206
01:24:10,950 --> 01:24:09,120
think you're right that's where we're

2207
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:10,960
really going to get the answers you know

2208
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:13,360
it took the new york times to really

2209
01:24:17,270 --> 01:24:15,199
hold the pentagon

2210
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:17,280
their feet under the fire and they said

2211
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:19,679
we're releasing this story um just

2212
01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:21,760
letting you know it's coming and what

2213
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:23,440
happened they got caught red-handed

2214
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:25,360
lying to the public about

2215
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:27,600
elizondo didn't work for him oh wait yes

2216
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:30,000
he did oh they the pentagon didn't look

2217
01:24:34,229 --> 01:24:32,719
into ufos oh wait yes they did you know

2218
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:34,239
so i think you're right i think it

2219
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:36,480
really is going to take a movement to

2220
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:37,440
force

2221
01:24:39,910 --> 01:24:39,040
the movement and actually there's one

2222
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:39,920
other

2223
01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:42,560
lever if you will of of change and

2224
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:45,360
that's journalism um right because let's

2225
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:47,520
face it uh if you go back to the

2226
01:24:52,709 --> 01:24:50,239
historical antecedent of watergate uh

2227
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:52,719
woodward and bernstein had watergate all

2228
01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:54,960
to themselves for a short period of time

2229
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:56,800
they're the guys that broke it they put

2230
01:25:00,709 --> 01:24:58,400
their own asses on the line

2231
01:25:02,550 --> 01:25:00,719
they were out there and and and when

2232
01:25:04,709 --> 01:25:02,560
they said what was turned out to be the

2233
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:04,719
truth instead it looked like

2234
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:06,320
you know the next administration was

2235
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:08,880
going to crush them and then as they as

2236
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:11,520
that story kind of got some purchase and

2237
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:12,960
some traction

2238
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:14,880
guess who else came in all the other

2239
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:17,360
people you know the the networks and new

2240
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:19,520
york times and a lot of other people got

2241
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:22,000
in so i think we may see

2242
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:23,440
um

2243
01:25:27,189 --> 01:25:24,800
you know major

2244
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:27,199
uh journalistic organizations not

2245
01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:28,960
wanting to just seed this whole thing to

2246
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:30,639
the new york times i mean why should

2247
01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:32,560
they there's no reason that the new york

2248
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:35,679
times gets to own the uap story but i

2249
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:37,600
will say it's time for everybody to wake

2250
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:39,600
up because from what i hear the new york

2251
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:40,480
times

2252
01:25:44,310 --> 01:25:41,920
and um

2253
01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:44,320
and some other people who you know i

2254
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:46,400
don't have sourced properly enough to

2255
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:47,360
speak

2256
01:25:51,669 --> 01:25:49,760
out loud on your show about but

2257
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:51,679
the next big thing and i put those in

2258
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:54,880
capital letters next big thing is crash

2259
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:55,920
wreckage

2260
01:26:00,070 --> 01:25:58,320
and it's shocking to think of that but

2261
01:26:02,550 --> 01:26:00,080
you know the new york times is looking

2262
01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:02,560
into it and you know that major people

2263
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:04,800
have admitted it's happening you have

2264
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:07,679
people like our mutual friend ross

2265
01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:11,280
coltart who has basically said that he's

2266
01:26:15,910 --> 01:26:13,360
talked to multiple sources who say it's

2267
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:15,920
the real thing

2268
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:18,400
i mean you lay down crash wreckage into

2269
01:26:22,870 --> 01:26:20,400
the public square

2270
01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:22,880
i don't see how you walk that one back

2271
01:26:26,709 --> 01:26:25,360
yeah and if there is

2272
01:26:28,149 --> 01:26:26,719
you know if you if you have crash

2273
01:26:29,669 --> 01:26:28,159
wreckage that could end up in the

2274
01:26:31,270 --> 01:26:29,679
supreme court

2275
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:31,280
you know because if the government

2276
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:34,159
obtained crash wreckage and there's and

2277
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:36,719
it can't prove a national security

2278
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:39,120
reason for hiding it

2279
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:41,360
and you demand to see it

2280
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:43,600
or depend it depends on who demands it i

2281
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:45,520
mean that something like that ends up in

2282
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:47,199
the supreme court

2283
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:48,000
yeah

2284
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:49,520
exactly and i think you know a lot of

2285
01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:51,360
this comes down to congressional

2286
01:26:55,750 --> 01:26:54,000
hearings and again kind of like getting

2287
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:55,760
it out there they're not going to ever

2288
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:57,840
like even your book states like the

2289
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:59,760
disclosure isn't going to come from the

2290
01:27:02,950 --> 01:27:01,040
government they're not going to just one

2291
01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:02,960
day say let's put it out there it's

2292
01:27:07,590 --> 01:27:04,880
gonna come on the timetable of the

2293
01:27:09,910 --> 01:27:07,600
phenomena revealing itself or some like

2294
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:09,920
you mentioned another nation saying we

2295
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:11,520
know more than you we're gonna release

2296
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:13,199
tomorrow and it'll be something by the

2297
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:14,880
way that you and i

2298
01:27:18,310 --> 01:27:16,960
aren't necessarily predicting but here's

2299
01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:18,320
a great example i'll just give you a

2300
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:20,400
specific example just

2301
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:22,000
probably not going to be this but it

2302
01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:24,320
could be an interesting thing what if a

2303
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:26,960
number of airline pilots who are still

2304
01:27:31,830 --> 01:27:28,000
alive

2305
01:27:34,390 --> 01:27:31,840
who lost their jobs or lost advancement

2306
01:27:36,550 --> 01:27:34,400
after reporting seeing something

2307
01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:36,560
right banded together in a class action

2308
01:27:41,910 --> 01:27:39,520
suit against the airlines

2309
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:41,920
i mean that would be a tremendous

2310
01:27:46,229 --> 01:27:44,400
tremendous coverage

2311
01:27:47,590 --> 01:27:46,239
that is a really good example you know

2312
01:27:50,629 --> 01:27:47,600
we even had a

2313
01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:50,639
a public conference recently with um

2314
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:51,360
the

2315
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:54,080
aviation administration talking about

2316
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:56,159
air safety when it comes to these uap

2317
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:57,120
and you had

2318
01:28:01,669 --> 01:27:59,120
folks like ryan graves lieutenant ryan

2319
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:01,679
graves who had near misses with these

2320
01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:05,360
ufos off the east coast saying yo faa

2321
01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:07,440
you have to look into this you've got to

2322
01:28:11,669 --> 01:28:09,360
do something which because

2323
01:28:13,830 --> 01:28:11,679
it's going to be one of these you know

2324
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:13,840
and and ryan that that illustrates the

2325
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:21,430
absent ryan graves right if a bunch of

2326
01:28:26,950 --> 01:28:24,000
pilots banded together and said we lost

2327
01:28:28,629 --> 01:28:26,960
our jobs for for trying to report this

2328
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:28,639
you know maybe it wouldn't be perceived

2329
01:28:33,189 --> 01:28:30,239
as that important but when you have a

2330
01:28:35,270 --> 01:28:33,199
ryan graves saying this is a air safety

2331
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:35,280
issue and he's one of your expert

2332
01:28:40,070 --> 01:28:36,560
witnesses

2333
01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:40,080
uh well if it's an air safety issue then

2334
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:40,960
by

2335
01:28:47,830 --> 01:28:46,320
have been firing people for daring to

2336
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:47,840
report it

2337
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:49,120
you know they should have they should

2338
01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:51,600
have made it very easy to report and

2339
01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:53,520
they should have been dealing with the

2340
01:28:57,189 --> 01:28:55,600
the government about how to protect our

2341
01:29:00,070 --> 01:28:57,199
airways i mean

2342
01:29:01,669 --> 01:29:00,080
we shut down the airwaves uh the airline

2343
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:01,679
i mean we shut down and grounded

2344
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:03,840
everything right after 9 11. that was

2345
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:06,560
over a perception that maybe the the

2346
01:29:10,870 --> 01:29:08,880
airlines and the and the air wasn't

2347
01:29:12,790 --> 01:29:10,880
secure well why is it any different

2348
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:12,800
right now if there are things out there

2349
01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:15,440
that we don't know what they are

2350
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:17,679
yep we know that a lot of flights were

2351
01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:19,760
grounded when the chicago o'hare

2352
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:23,040
incident occurred yes um so yeah

2353
01:29:27,910 --> 01:29:25,360
you're you're completely right um

2354
01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:27,920
well i wanna backtrack just a little

2355
01:29:32,470 --> 01:29:30,800
bryce um before we get to some listener

2356
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:32,480
questions viewer questions again guys if

2357
01:29:37,189 --> 01:29:34,480
you have questions for bryce feel free

2358
01:29:39,189 --> 01:29:37,199
to use the super chat over on youtube um

2359
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:39,199
help the show out we'll feature your

2360
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:40,800
questions at the end of the show we're

2361
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:42,719
going to do them all at the end but you

2362
01:29:47,350 --> 01:29:44,400
can put them in right now through the

2363
01:29:48,390 --> 01:29:47,360
super chat as well let me just say this

2364
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:48,400
right now

2365
01:29:52,310 --> 01:29:50,320
yeah yeah if somebody out there is

2366
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:52,320
listening and and as wants to write that

2367
01:29:57,910 --> 01:29:54,480
hundred thousand dollar check to get

2368
01:29:59,669 --> 01:29:57,920
social activism write it to you

2369
01:30:01,350 --> 01:29:59,679
hey what would you do

2370
01:30:04,149 --> 01:30:01,360
if somebody gave you a hundred thousand

2371
01:30:06,629 --> 01:30:04,159
dollars and said we need ufo disclosure

2372
01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:06,639
where would you spend the money oh

2373
01:30:10,629 --> 01:30:08,480
that's tough 100

2374
01:30:13,350 --> 01:30:10,639
interesting thought anyway i interrupted

2375
01:30:15,830 --> 01:30:13,360
i apologize please you turned the tables

2376
01:30:17,350 --> 01:30:15,840
on me i was i'm blindsided

2377
01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:17,360
i don't know man i'm gonna have to think

2378
01:30:21,270 --> 01:30:19,199
about that one all right i want to

2379
01:30:23,189 --> 01:30:21,280
rewind um to

2380
01:30:25,990 --> 01:30:23,199
back to official denial for just a

2381
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:26,000
moment bryce um one of the fascinating

2382
01:30:31,590 --> 01:30:29,520
things in the movie i i spoiler alert

2383
01:30:33,750 --> 01:30:31,600
guys i guess um but

2384
01:30:36,310 --> 01:30:33,760
we can't have a spoiler alert that's 30

2385
01:30:38,950 --> 01:30:36,320
years old 30 years okay yeah fair enough

2386
01:30:41,990 --> 01:30:38,960
my man we have people like dr michael p

2387
01:30:44,149 --> 01:30:42,000
masters an anthropologist who wrote a

2388
01:30:47,189 --> 01:30:44,159
fascinating book about um

2389
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:47,199
aliens and what they might be or we have

2390
01:30:51,990 --> 01:30:49,360
one of the rendersham witnesses saying

2391
01:30:53,910 --> 01:30:52,000
they heard this as well from the

2392
01:30:57,030 --> 01:30:53,920
phenomena or intelligence behind that

2393
01:30:59,270 --> 01:30:57,040
incident that it was not so much alien

2394
01:31:01,430 --> 01:30:59,280
it was us from the future

2395
01:31:03,030 --> 01:31:01,440
and this was something you brought to

2396
01:31:05,430 --> 01:31:03,040
the table far

2397
01:31:08,149 --> 01:31:05,440
before either of these individuals god

2398
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:08,159
bless you son for saying that yeah yeah

2399
01:31:12,709 --> 01:31:10,159
yeah so i'd love to know where did you

2400
01:31:14,870 --> 01:31:12,719
come up with that idea i'd never heard

2401
01:31:16,149 --> 01:31:14,880
it before i saw official denial and

2402
01:31:18,470 --> 01:31:16,159
that's when i knew i had to start

2403
01:31:21,270 --> 01:31:18,480
following your work i'm like wow that

2404
01:31:22,629 --> 01:31:21,280
never even dawned on me that theory

2405
01:31:25,030 --> 01:31:22,639
you know um

2406
01:31:26,709 --> 01:31:25,040
okay so i i told you that uh

2407
01:31:29,430 --> 01:31:26,719
it was based i had read whitley

2408
01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:29,440
strieber's book communion and i thought

2409
01:31:35,110 --> 01:31:32,080
to myself well what if whitley

2410
01:31:36,790 --> 01:31:35,120
was being abducted repeatedly right then

2411
01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:36,800
um what would he

2412
01:31:39,110 --> 01:31:38,400
and the government knew it maybe they

2413
01:31:41,030 --> 01:31:39,120
would

2414
01:31:43,270 --> 01:31:41,040
use that to try to shoot one of these

2415
01:31:46,390 --> 01:31:43,280
things down and then of course that's

2416
01:31:49,110 --> 01:31:46,400
what i did and then i thought okay well

2417
01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:49,120
i still need some suspense in in here

2418
01:31:53,430 --> 01:31:50,800
what are the aliens here for and i

2419
01:31:55,750 --> 01:31:53,440
thought well what if they're not exactly

2420
01:31:57,030 --> 01:31:55,760
aliens and so at the end of the movie

2421
01:31:59,189 --> 01:31:57,040
and it is

2422
01:32:01,910 --> 01:31:59,199
you know again you i'm not sure you can

2423
01:32:04,709 --> 01:32:01,920
have spoiler alerts this far in in the

2424
01:32:07,270 --> 01:32:04,719
you know removed uh the

2425
01:32:09,189 --> 01:32:07,280
literally somebody says uh in a line of

2426
01:32:10,629 --> 01:32:09,199
dialogue it's not where they're from

2427
01:32:11,510 --> 01:32:10,639
it's when

2428
01:32:15,189 --> 01:32:11,520
and

2429
01:32:17,990 --> 01:32:15,199
that was uh the the character the alien

2430
01:32:20,709 --> 01:32:18,000
that had come back came uh

2431
01:32:23,110 --> 01:32:20,719
you know from the future uh trying to

2432
01:32:25,189 --> 01:32:23,120
take care of things here before they got

2433
01:32:27,590 --> 01:32:25,199
all messed up now it is interesting a

2434
01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:27,600
few years ago a skeptic i think named

2435
01:32:32,629 --> 01:32:30,560
ian ridpath um

2436
01:32:36,070 --> 01:32:32,639
pointed out that my movie official

2437
01:32:37,350 --> 01:32:36,080
denial which came out in 1993 november

2438
01:32:40,390 --> 01:32:37,360
of 93

2439
01:32:41,830 --> 01:32:40,400
uh saying that they were time travelers

2440
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:41,840
um

2441
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:44,480
apparently jim penniston uh who

2442
01:32:50,310 --> 01:32:46,960
uh part of the rendelsham story then in

2443
01:32:52,790 --> 01:32:50,320
1994 said that when he touched the craft

2444
01:32:55,750 --> 01:32:52,800
or whatever he he got the

2445
01:32:56,629 --> 01:32:55,760
idea that they were from the future

2446
01:32:57,669 --> 01:32:56,639
you know i

2447
01:33:16,629 --> 01:32:57,679
i

2448
01:33:18,550 --> 01:33:16,639
can be et that seems to be the go-to one

2449
01:33:21,590 --> 01:33:18,560
but they can be ultra-dimensional that's

2450
01:33:25,110 --> 01:33:21,600
another one um they could be

2451
01:33:27,510 --> 01:33:25,120
a race of some kind intellectual

2452
01:33:29,189 --> 01:33:27,520
you know intelligent race from here but

2453
01:33:30,950 --> 01:33:29,199
they could also be us

2454
01:33:31,750 --> 01:33:30,960
um

2455
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:31,760
and

2456
01:33:37,350 --> 01:33:36,000
i cannot go into the sources on this um

2457
01:33:38,149 --> 01:33:37,360
but i

2458
01:33:40,629 --> 01:33:38,159
know

2459
01:33:42,149 --> 01:33:40,639
that there are certain people who are

2460
01:33:44,790 --> 01:33:42,159
actively

2461
01:33:46,950 --> 01:33:44,800
stating they think that's the case

2462
01:33:49,830 --> 01:33:46,960
really good sources

2463
01:33:51,510 --> 01:33:49,840
i'd be shocked i mean i just made it up

2464
01:33:54,310 --> 01:33:51,520
out of my you said where did it come

2465
01:33:56,310 --> 01:33:54,320
from you know it just came

2466
01:33:58,790 --> 01:33:56,320
what do writers do we make stuff up

2467
01:34:01,189 --> 01:33:58,800
right and and and the time i was writing

2468
01:34:02,229 --> 01:34:01,199
official denial i didn't actually

2469
01:34:04,870 --> 01:34:02,239
believe

2470
01:34:07,910 --> 01:34:04,880
the ufo phenomenon was

2471
01:34:10,870 --> 01:34:07,920
100 authentic i i was

2472
01:34:12,950 --> 01:34:10,880
trying to make my movie 100 authentic

2473
01:34:15,189 --> 01:34:12,960
right i'd written this script and i

2474
01:34:16,790 --> 01:34:15,199
wanted it to feel real so i started

2475
01:34:19,270 --> 01:34:16,800
doing a lot of reading

2476
01:34:20,790 --> 01:34:19,280
uh and then it was as a function of

2477
01:34:22,950 --> 01:34:20,800
doing all that reading that i came to

2478
01:34:24,709 --> 01:34:22,960
that conclusion that it was the real

2479
01:34:27,590 --> 01:34:24,719
thing but i will tell you this on the

2480
01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:27,600
subject of time traveling future humans

2481
01:34:30,470 --> 01:34:29,040
uh coming back

2482
01:34:32,390 --> 01:34:30,480
um

2483
01:34:35,270 --> 01:34:32,400
it was it made for one hell of a

2484
01:34:36,709 --> 01:34:35,280
development process because

2485
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:36,719
it's it's like i think even in

2486
01:34:41,189 --> 01:34:39,040
terminator at the end sarah connor says

2487
01:34:43,270 --> 01:34:41,199
something in voiceover like you know you

2488
01:34:44,709 --> 01:34:43,280
can't think too much about this time

2489
01:34:46,229 --> 01:34:44,719
travel thing because it'll make you

2490
01:34:48,709 --> 01:34:46,239
crazy i don't remember what the exact

2491
01:34:51,430 --> 01:34:48,719
words are but yeah so i had written a

2492
01:34:53,830 --> 01:34:51,440
script where it i had my own rules for

2493
01:34:56,310 --> 01:34:53,840
time travel but then i when when it got

2494
01:34:58,229 --> 01:34:56,320
was being developed the the people i was

2495
01:35:01,030 --> 01:34:58,239
developing it with at a company called

2496
01:35:01,910 --> 01:35:01,040
wilshire court they would read it and go

2497
01:35:05,430 --> 01:35:01,920
now

2498
01:35:08,310 --> 01:35:05,440
on page 97 when he says this what what

2499
01:35:10,070 --> 01:35:08,320
exactly how does that work and then i

2500
01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:10,080
would find myself getting tongue-tied

2501
01:35:14,149 --> 01:35:11,760
going well no see if you go in the

2502
01:35:17,109 --> 01:35:14,159
future but then you come

2503
01:35:19,270 --> 01:35:17,119
hmm and then i'd get confused and we

2504
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:19,280
would chase ourselves around

2505
01:35:22,310 --> 01:35:20,239
and

2506
01:35:24,709 --> 01:35:22,320
there would usually be in a meeting

2507
01:35:26,629 --> 01:35:24,719
about this and there were many but there

2508
01:35:29,189 --> 01:35:26,639
usually come a point where the executive

2509
01:35:32,070 --> 01:35:29,199
would go so i guess

2510
01:35:34,149 --> 01:35:32,080
okay we're all agreed um okay bryce why

2511
01:35:36,310 --> 01:35:34,159
don't you just go do that version

2512
01:35:38,229 --> 01:35:36,320
and and i would go wrestle with it and

2513
01:35:39,030 --> 01:35:38,239
come back with the new version

2514
01:35:43,109 --> 01:35:39,040
or

2515
01:35:44,070 --> 01:35:43,119
they'd go yeah but what if

2516
01:35:45,590 --> 01:35:44,080
and then

2517
01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:45,600
they would ask a question and everybody

2518
01:35:48,070 --> 01:35:46,960
in the room would go

2519
01:35:49,830 --> 01:35:48,080
oh

2520
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:49,840
and then they'd say well bryce why don't

2521
01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:51,760
you work on that right

2522
01:35:58,070 --> 01:35:55,520
yeah this is actually this true story so

2523
01:36:01,189 --> 01:35:58,080
at one of these last meetings uh the

2524
01:36:03,990 --> 01:36:01,199
executive is matt gross and matt and i

2525
01:36:05,030 --> 01:36:04,000
were have become good friends but

2526
01:36:06,470 --> 01:36:05,040
we were going through one of these

2527
01:36:08,629 --> 01:36:06,480
things where i was trying to explain

2528
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:08,639
time travel and we were all knocking

2529
01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:11,600
time travel concepts around

2530
01:36:15,189 --> 01:36:13,679
and then somebody asked one of those

2531
01:36:16,790 --> 01:36:15,199
questions and then everybody kind of

2532
01:36:18,709 --> 01:36:16,800
went oh

2533
01:36:20,629 --> 01:36:18,719
and you know you just see everybody

2534
01:36:23,750 --> 01:36:20,639
going we're going to be here another two

2535
01:36:25,590 --> 01:36:23,760
hours and then matt goes i've got it

2536
01:36:27,750 --> 01:36:25,600
and he says

2537
01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:27,760
the future is unwritten

2538
01:36:32,629 --> 01:36:30,000
now you can debate what that exactly

2539
01:36:35,189 --> 01:36:32,639
means but it means that the future is

2540
01:36:36,070 --> 01:36:35,199
not preordained that it's a fluid

2541
01:36:37,270 --> 01:36:36,080
thing

2542
01:36:39,189 --> 01:36:37,280
and

2543
01:36:41,030 --> 01:36:39,199
for whatever reason all of us in the

2544
01:36:43,990 --> 01:36:41,040
room went oh well that's great the

2545
01:36:45,590 --> 01:36:44,000
future's unwritten and i went away and

2546
01:36:47,430 --> 01:36:45,600
you know kind of incorporated some of

2547
01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:47,440
that into the script and that's what we

2548
01:36:53,030 --> 01:36:50,080
shot and i i got to tell you official

2549
01:36:54,709 --> 01:36:53,040
denial was a terrific film uh except

2550
01:36:56,870 --> 01:36:54,719
that it was shot for two and a half

2551
01:37:00,229 --> 01:36:56,880
million dollars and the

2552
01:37:03,270 --> 01:37:00,239
the alien time traveler is a 12 year old

2553
01:37:05,030 --> 01:37:03,280
australian ballerina in a rubber suit so

2554
01:37:06,790 --> 01:37:05,040
if it had been made for 50 million

2555
01:37:08,470 --> 01:37:06,800
dollars people would still be talking

2556
01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:08,480
about it today but

2557
01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:10,960
so hey i know it happened

2558
01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:13,360
hey but you know what man you started

2559
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:16,000
you started the sci-fi original movies

2560
01:37:19,590 --> 01:37:17,199
which are such

2561
01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:19,600
a big popular thing now i'm very proud

2562
01:37:23,270 --> 01:37:21,920
of that i mean i i who at the time i

2563
01:37:25,590 --> 01:37:23,280
didn't know it but i did remember that

2564
01:37:27,669 --> 01:37:25,600
they said you know sci-fi thinks they

2565
01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:27,679
need to start making movies and we're

2566
01:37:31,590 --> 01:37:30,000
going to go with yours first

2567
01:37:33,510 --> 01:37:31,600
it's okay

2568
01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:33,520
you know and again i didn't even know

2569
01:37:37,750 --> 01:37:35,360
who you were when i first saw it when it

2570
01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:37,760
premiered on sci-fi and now here i am

2571
01:37:42,070 --> 01:37:40,239
today talking to you about dark skies

2572
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:42,080
another show i watched that i didn't

2573
01:37:46,310 --> 01:37:43,440
know you then

2574
01:37:48,470 --> 01:37:46,320
again this whole idea of time is just so

2575
01:37:50,310 --> 01:37:48,480
fascinating i it's surreal that i'm

2576
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:50,320
having this conversation with you right

2577
01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:52,000
very kind of by the way i just thought

2578
01:37:56,950 --> 01:37:53,520
of something while you were

2579
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:56,960
this is crazy this never happens but

2580
01:38:01,590 --> 01:38:00,239
a few years ago um a director contacts

2581
01:38:04,709 --> 01:38:01,600
me uh

2582
01:38:06,310 --> 01:38:04,719
a very well established uh director and

2583
01:38:07,350 --> 01:38:06,320
he says you know i'd really like to

2584
01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:07,360
remake

2585
01:38:11,830 --> 01:38:08,880
official denial

2586
01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:11,840
uh i loved that film so much and i'd

2587
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:13,280
like to remake it

2588
01:38:17,510 --> 01:38:15,600
do you have the rights and of course i

2589
01:38:20,390 --> 01:38:17,520
didn't have the rights i mean i

2590
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:20,400
i sold the rights to sci-fi and wilshire

2591
01:38:24,790 --> 01:38:22,080
court to make it

2592
01:38:26,709 --> 01:38:24,800
uh but my wife jackie says um well let

2593
01:38:28,870 --> 01:38:26,719
me look into that so she calls up the

2594
01:38:30,790 --> 01:38:28,880
writer's guild and the writer's guild

2595
01:38:34,390 --> 01:38:30,800
says send us your contract we send them

2596
01:38:36,790 --> 01:38:34,400
our contract and it turns out that um

2597
01:38:38,709 --> 01:38:36,800
when they bought the rights

2598
01:38:40,870 --> 01:38:38,719
of to my script and the underlying

2599
01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:40,880
rights they only bought it for

2600
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:42,560
television

2601
01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:45,040
and so okay the writer's guild send me a

2602
01:38:48,950 --> 01:38:46,880
letter which i have in my possession

2603
01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:48,960
right now that says if i want to make

2604
01:38:53,350 --> 01:38:51,280
official denial as a remake

2605
01:38:54,629 --> 01:38:53,360
as a feature film

2606
01:38:56,870 --> 01:38:54,639
i can do it

2607
01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:56,880
let's go oh man

2608
01:39:05,189 --> 01:39:03,109
i'll play the alien i don't care

2609
01:39:06,790 --> 01:39:05,199
how do you look in a rubber suit that's

2610
01:39:09,189 --> 01:39:06,800
we're gonna have to check that out first

2611
01:39:12,149 --> 01:39:09,199
i've got the pandemic 15 so i might have

2612
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:12,159
to drop a few pounds before that but hey

2613
01:39:15,109 --> 01:39:13,199
well

2614
01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:15,119
you know um we're going to wrap up our

2615
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:17,679
time travel sure with this question here

2616
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:19,600
from g west thank you so much g west for

2617
01:39:22,790 --> 01:39:21,520
the super chat are there any theories

2618
01:39:25,750 --> 01:39:22,800
that they could be

2619
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:25,760
from an ocean mic an ocean moon like

2620
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:27,600
europa which is why they are in our

2621
01:39:32,310 --> 01:39:29,920
oceans we're hearing so much about

2622
01:39:34,790 --> 01:39:32,320
possibly a lot of these uap mysteries

2623
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:34,800
the answers may fly under our own waters

2624
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:36,400
instead of in the skies that's a good

2625
01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:38,639
question they wouldn't even need light

2626
01:39:43,189 --> 01:39:40,960
travel well the first reason we could

2627
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:43,199
never that could never happen is it

2628
01:39:48,070 --> 01:39:46,080
would involve you re-titling your show

2629
01:39:50,149 --> 01:39:48,080
that oh my gosh and we can't have the

2630
01:39:52,390 --> 01:39:50,159
ocean yeah we just that it doesn't have

2631
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:52,400
the same pop i don't know that was my

2632
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:54,400
brand yeah yeah i just don't think we

2633
01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:56,880
can do that i'll tell you something um

2634
01:40:01,830 --> 01:39:58,639
i think that that is a theory i mean if

2635
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:01,840
the question is yes it's a theory um

2636
01:40:07,030 --> 01:40:03,600
i think the one thing that we are

2637
01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:07,040
increasingly coming to awareness about

2638
01:40:12,870 --> 01:40:10,000
is that there is an ocean component and

2639
01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:12,880
that these things uh uh can come down

2640
01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:14,320
from space

2641
01:40:19,590 --> 01:40:17,199
travel in our atmosphere and dive into

2642
01:40:22,149 --> 01:40:19,600
our water without actually losing any

2643
01:40:24,390 --> 01:40:22,159
fluidity in their motion and we see them

2644
01:40:25,189 --> 01:40:24,400
coming out of the water all the time

2645
01:40:26,870 --> 01:40:25,199
so

2646
01:40:29,430 --> 01:40:26,880
uh

2647
01:40:32,629 --> 01:40:29,440
there's something going on in the oceans

2648
01:40:35,990 --> 01:40:32,639
it's tied into the phenomenon um i don't

2649
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:36,000
know if it uh is europa i mean that's

2650
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:38,320
that's sort of a theory within a theory

2651
01:40:43,669 --> 01:40:41,760
uh it might very well be that um

2652
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:43,679
that they've been here forever

2653
01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:47,040
or it might very well be that they're um

2654
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:49,600
the original atlanteans i mean i i don't

2655
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:50,560
know

2656
01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:53,040
yeah but there's something going on

2657
01:40:56,950 --> 01:40:54,960
i see we have someone who's available to

2658
01:40:58,070 --> 01:40:56,960
play the alien all right we're done

2659
01:41:00,310 --> 01:40:58,080
we're casting

2660
01:41:02,229 --> 01:41:00,320
let's go dothier is an actor a trained

2661
01:41:04,310 --> 01:41:02,239
actor he's done a bunch of television

2662
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:04,320
you guys might have more in common than

2663
01:41:08,149 --> 01:41:06,560
than we think bryce for sure so if he

2664
01:41:10,229 --> 01:41:08,159
can't play the alien if he can't get in

2665
01:41:12,790 --> 01:41:10,239
the rubber suit we'll make him the head

2666
01:41:14,629 --> 01:41:12,800
of majestic 12. so that'll be okay i

2667
01:41:17,910 --> 01:41:14,639
think he could do it he'd make a good

2668
01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:17,920
evil leader of majestic 12. um let's see

2669
01:41:22,310 --> 01:41:20,560
here um all right well kind of the last

2670
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:22,320
i guess section i really want to get to

2671
01:41:28,070 --> 01:41:25,199
you with your bryce is uh on the trail

2672
01:41:29,590 --> 01:41:28,080
um yeah or a trail of the saucers right

2673
01:41:31,750 --> 01:41:29,600
i always have the on the in front of

2674
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:31,760
there so i do apologize you're not you

2675
01:41:34,629 --> 01:41:33,760
don't need to apologize right originally

2676
01:41:36,629 --> 01:41:34,639
i did

2677
01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:36,639
it's it i originally called it on the

2678
01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:38,800
trail of the saucers and then i

2679
01:41:42,709 --> 01:41:40,480
got to get this punch here i got to get

2680
01:41:44,550 --> 01:41:42,719
it down it should be on the trail of the

2681
01:41:46,870 --> 01:41:44,560
saucers but it's just

2682
01:41:49,590 --> 01:41:46,880
it's too many words it's like uh what'd

2683
01:41:53,350 --> 01:41:49,600
they say to mozart it's perfect but

2684
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:56,629
so it's called trailers

2685
01:42:01,430 --> 01:41:59,350
hollywood make it just his least amount

2686
01:42:03,510 --> 01:42:01,440
of words as possible i may go back to it

2687
01:42:06,310 --> 01:42:03,520
i don't know but trail of the saucers is

2688
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:06,320
the title of a publication of of of

2689
01:42:11,109 --> 01:42:09,600
essays and articles um on medium the

2690
01:42:13,030 --> 01:42:11,119
medium platform

2691
01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:13,040
and i've been doing it i started it

2692
01:42:15,669 --> 01:42:14,800
during the pandemic just because i

2693
01:42:17,350 --> 01:42:15,679
thought

2694
01:42:19,669 --> 01:42:17,360
you know um

2695
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:19,679
while i am a dramatist by

2696
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:22,560
profession right now i started out as a

2697
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:25,520
as a journalist and i still

2698
01:42:29,990 --> 01:42:27,119
like the sort of the fast break of

2699
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:30,000
journalism i still like writing it i i

2700
01:42:33,109 --> 01:42:31,840
thought that the thing i wasn't reading

2701
01:42:34,709 --> 01:42:33,119
in all these articles that people

2702
01:42:37,109 --> 01:42:34,719
writing i wasn't reading a lot of

2703
01:42:39,990 --> 01:42:37,119
analysis and um

2704
01:42:42,310 --> 01:42:40,000
and essays about things i was reading

2705
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:42,320
sort of a lot of regurgitation of the

2706
01:42:46,229 --> 01:42:43,920
same

2707
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:46,239
okay this is what a uap office is this

2708
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:48,480
is you know i i just wasn't seeing a lot

2709
01:42:52,629 --> 01:42:50,880
of opinion uh and and i don't mean

2710
01:42:54,950 --> 01:42:52,639
opinion in the way where

2711
01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:54,960
you tweet your opinion i'm talking about

2712
01:42:59,109 --> 01:42:57,600
sort of like a commentary that you might

2713
01:43:00,870 --> 01:42:59,119
read at the end of a magazine or

2714
01:43:03,430 --> 01:43:00,880
something right so we started writing

2715
01:43:06,149 --> 01:43:03,440
these articles and we've attracted some

2716
01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:06,159
terrific people including you my friend

2717
01:43:10,470 --> 01:43:08,400
who i have to say

2718
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:10,480
ryan has specialized and you should

2719
01:43:16,950 --> 01:43:13,119
definitely go to trail of the saucers

2720
01:43:19,590 --> 01:43:16,960
which you can see it what if ufos.com um

2721
01:43:22,310 --> 01:43:19,600
and i hope that doesn't hit a paywall i

2722
01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:22,320
i i try not to put anything behind it

2723
01:43:28,629 --> 01:43:25,280
yeah but it might uh and i'm sorry about

2724
01:43:30,709 --> 01:43:28,639
that but uh uh i when i do advertise

2725
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:30,719
these articles on twitter and all that i

2726
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:33,520
do the non-pay wall thing but um

2727
01:43:39,590 --> 01:43:36,400
ryan has written a a succession of

2728
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:39,600
articles about cases and there i got to

2729
01:43:42,790 --> 01:43:41,440
tell you my friend they are

2730
01:43:46,390 --> 01:43:42,800
the highest

2731
01:43:49,590 --> 01:43:46,400
read of many of our articles because

2732
01:43:52,310 --> 01:43:49,600
i think people want to know

2733
01:43:54,229 --> 01:43:52,320
details about cases they want to get

2734
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:54,239
specific they want to get it real and

2735
01:43:58,470 --> 01:43:55,920
authentic and and you seem to have

2736
01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:58,480
captured a voice that does that so i say

2737
01:44:00,950 --> 01:43:59,520
thank you

2738
01:44:03,270 --> 01:44:00,960
and keep doing it

2739
01:44:05,350 --> 01:44:03,280
we love them and somebody to show you

2740
01:44:07,830 --> 01:44:05,360
that ryan has good company

2741
01:44:09,990 --> 01:44:07,840
avi gold who you mentioned earlier is

2742
01:44:12,149 --> 01:44:10,000
now writing for trail of the saucers as

2743
01:44:14,709 --> 01:44:12,159
well and contributing some interesting

2744
01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:14,719
things and

2745
01:44:18,629 --> 01:44:17,040
which is fantastic i mean i'm just i

2746
01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:18,639
mean i'm kind of knocked out that he

2747
01:44:23,189 --> 01:44:21,199
would do that i really appreciate it

2748
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:23,199
and then i uh there's an editor working

2749
01:44:27,430 --> 01:44:25,600
with me uh david bates and he has been

2750
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:27,440
writing a series called twilight of the

2751
01:44:33,669 --> 01:44:30,639
skeptics where he is tangling with the

2752
01:44:36,790 --> 01:44:33,679
the professional skeptics out there and

2753
01:44:39,430 --> 01:44:36,800
he's taken on incoming right and left

2754
01:44:41,590 --> 01:44:39,440
from the you know the uh uh robert

2755
01:44:44,390 --> 01:44:41,600
schafers and he's soon to take on mick

2756
01:44:45,910 --> 01:44:44,400
west and that'll be quite fun as well

2757
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:45,920
because you know what i think these

2758
01:44:50,310 --> 01:44:48,480
things need to happen and let me float

2759
01:44:52,709 --> 01:44:50,320
an idea you'll probably think this is

2760
01:44:53,910 --> 01:44:52,719
crazy but i was about to write i've i've

2761
01:44:55,669 --> 01:44:53,920
actually written it i just haven't

2762
01:44:57,270 --> 01:44:55,679
published it but i was thinking of

2763
01:44:59,430 --> 01:44:57,280
challenging

2764
01:45:01,109 --> 01:44:59,440
this is going to sound crazy um i was

2765
01:45:03,750 --> 01:45:01,119
thinking of challenging neil degrasse

2766
01:45:05,669 --> 01:45:03,760
tyson to a debate

2767
01:45:07,350 --> 01:45:05,679
what are your thoughts

2768
01:45:10,550 --> 01:45:07,360
he will never do it

2769
01:45:12,709 --> 01:45:10,560
gloves off i'm all for it man the

2770
01:45:14,229 --> 01:45:12,719
uh there's days i want to punch the guy

2771
01:45:16,629 --> 01:45:14,239
in the face and then there's days i want

2772
01:45:19,350 --> 01:45:16,639
to hug him i don't know where i stand

2773
01:45:21,189 --> 01:45:19,360
with that man when it comes to ufos but

2774
01:45:24,310 --> 01:45:21,199
i think that would be awesome it would

2775
01:45:27,350 --> 01:45:24,320
because you know he's been so skeptical

2776
01:45:30,550 --> 01:45:27,360
but he all and that's okay i i am he's a

2777
01:45:34,229 --> 01:45:30,560
scientist skepticism okay but it's not

2778
01:45:35,350 --> 01:45:34,239
okay to make fun of people who are re

2779
01:45:37,750 --> 01:45:35,360
you know

2780
01:45:39,990 --> 01:45:37,760
who are legitimately trying to discuss

2781
01:45:41,510 --> 01:45:40,000
something that seems important and so i

2782
01:45:44,709 --> 01:45:41,520
don't like that what he does and i'd

2783
01:45:47,030 --> 01:45:44,719
like to just get him in a room and and

2784
01:45:48,149 --> 01:45:47,040
have this back and forth and say is this

2785
01:45:49,750 --> 01:45:48,159
you know

2786
01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:49,760
you're a scientist why aren't you more

2787
01:45:55,350 --> 01:45:53,360
curious right why not be more curious

2788
01:45:57,030 --> 01:45:55,360
so maybe i will challenge him he'll

2789
01:46:00,390 --> 01:45:57,040
never do it but i've met him a couple of

2790
01:46:02,870 --> 01:46:00,400
times and i agree

2791
01:46:04,790 --> 01:46:02,880
he is a big huggable teddy bear of a guy

2792
01:46:06,629 --> 01:46:04,800
occasionally uh he's gotten in some

2793
01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:06,639
trouble in the past few years for some

2794
01:46:11,430 --> 01:46:09,360
other issues but he's a guy that would

2795
01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:11,440
be a fun guy to have a couple of beers

2796
01:46:14,709 --> 01:46:12,400
with and

2797
01:46:17,030 --> 01:46:14,719
you know some appetizers in a bar

2798
01:46:18,629 --> 01:46:17,040
because he tells some great stories and

2799
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:18,639
so i don't have any issues with him for

2800
01:46:26,229 --> 01:46:21,040
that but i do have these issues where i

2801
01:46:29,350 --> 01:46:26,239
just routinely see him sort of

2802
01:46:31,990 --> 01:46:29,360
down the idea that we should search for

2803
01:46:34,550 --> 01:46:32,000
the truth here yeah i i prefer the ivy

2804
01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:34,560
golds of the world as a scientist we're

2805
01:46:39,430 --> 01:46:36,560
you know obvious just saying let's go

2806
01:46:41,350 --> 01:46:39,440
get some facts let's get more data

2807
01:46:43,189 --> 01:46:41,360
you know i'm not going to make fun of

2808
01:46:45,510 --> 01:46:43,199
you for for

2809
01:46:48,550 --> 01:46:45,520
for having drawn a different conclusion

2810
01:46:50,470 --> 01:46:48,560
than than i am but let's talk about it

2811
01:46:52,229 --> 01:46:50,480
and i think that's the more effective

2812
01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:52,239
and proper way to go

2813
01:46:57,189 --> 01:46:54,960
absolutely bryce and uh just a nitpick

2814
01:46:59,990 --> 01:46:57,199
we're talking about avi loeb right

2815
01:47:01,590 --> 01:47:00,000
what did i just say gold gold javi gold

2816
01:47:03,030 --> 01:47:01,600
i'm sorry you know what's familiar

2817
01:47:05,990 --> 01:47:03,040
though you know what

2818
01:47:08,149 --> 01:47:06,000
no it's not obvi gold it's obvious

2819
01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:08,159
my apologies you know what it's funny

2820
01:47:11,030 --> 01:47:09,520
you get on one of these things you get

2821
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:11,040
on a roll and things just come out of

2822
01:47:15,430 --> 01:47:13,920
your mouth oh my gosh man who knows uh

2823
01:47:18,470 --> 01:47:15,440
abby low

2824
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:18,480
let's be clear is the harvard

2825
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:20,960
uh man of the hour who has written the

2826
01:47:27,350 --> 01:47:22,880
book extraterrestrial

2827
01:47:28,790 --> 01:47:27,360
uh who is the guy i can't pronounce

2828
01:47:32,149 --> 01:47:28,800
the

2829
01:47:33,350 --> 01:47:32,159
giant space object that ah yes did you

2830
01:47:36,390 --> 01:47:33,360
pronounce it

2831
01:47:38,310 --> 01:47:36,400
yeah my girlfriend's from hawaii so i

2832
01:47:42,950 --> 01:47:38,320
actually got her take on this it is it's

2833
01:47:45,669 --> 01:47:42,960
omuamua o muammua all right well avi

2834
01:47:47,189 --> 01:47:45,679
loeb is the man behind that

2835
01:47:48,790 --> 01:47:47,199
and um

2836
01:47:50,629 --> 01:47:48,800
he is a

2837
01:47:52,950 --> 01:47:50,639
really just a force to be reckoned with

2838
01:47:55,189 --> 01:47:52,960
right now so very thrilled

2839
01:47:56,950 --> 01:47:55,199
and so i you know encourage people if

2840
01:47:58,950 --> 01:47:56,960
you're on here's the thing about medium

2841
01:48:00,870 --> 01:47:58,960
if you're on medium then it's this

2842
01:48:02,790 --> 01:48:00,880
wonderful place where you know for 50

2843
01:48:05,030 --> 01:48:02,800
bucks a year you get to read

2844
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:05,040
all these fascinating articles and they

2845
01:48:09,590 --> 01:48:06,960
don't have ads in them so they're fun to

2846
01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:09,600
read they're visually interesting they

2847
01:48:15,030 --> 01:48:11,520
move quickly you don't get distracted by

2848
01:48:17,109 --> 01:48:15,910
i

2849
01:48:19,669 --> 01:48:17,119
and and

2850
01:48:22,310 --> 01:48:19,679
i try again to there's a way you can

2851
01:48:25,189 --> 01:48:22,320
send them out without paywall and i do

2852
01:48:28,310 --> 01:48:25,199
that the only thing i can't do is uh

2853
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:28,320
there's a paywall to get into

2854
01:48:31,830 --> 01:48:30,320
the collection of all the articles which

2855
01:48:33,030 --> 01:48:31,840
i regret but there's nothing i can do

2856
01:48:35,590 --> 01:48:33,040
about it

2857
01:48:38,390 --> 01:48:35,600
well and you know i mean writers deserve

2858
01:48:40,550 --> 01:48:38,400
to be paid for their work so i think you

2859
01:48:43,510 --> 01:48:40,560
know while while some information might

2860
01:48:45,910 --> 01:48:43,520
be behind a paywall enough is out there

2861
01:48:47,990 --> 01:48:45,920
for free you know i do my show for free

2862
01:48:50,790 --> 01:48:48,000
everyone out there doing these podcasts

2863
01:48:52,629 --> 01:48:50,800
and whatnot they do it for free you can

2864
01:48:55,350 --> 01:48:52,639
help if you want to but we're not

2865
01:48:58,149 --> 01:48:55,360
putting it behind a paywall um so you

2866
01:49:01,189 --> 01:48:58,159
know the way i look at it is it's like

2867
01:49:03,590 --> 01:49:01,199
asking a musician to write a song for

2868
01:49:06,149 --> 01:49:03,600
free oh yeah this is our job we are

2869
01:49:07,750 --> 01:49:06,159
journalists we we deserve to be you know

2870
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:07,760
compensated for the work we put into

2871
01:49:14,070 --> 01:49:09,600
something so well you know

2872
01:49:16,470 --> 01:49:14,080
yeah yeah i mean i i think that um

2873
01:49:19,589 --> 01:49:16,480
listen there were other ways to go i

2874
01:49:22,950 --> 01:49:19,599
chose medium because what i felt i was

2875
01:49:25,990 --> 01:49:22,960
not able to find anywhere is that clean

2876
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:26,000
look where people could really focus on

2877
01:49:32,550 --> 01:49:28,960
the ideas and where it was high quality

2878
01:49:34,550 --> 01:49:32,560
magazine style uh presentation

2879
01:49:36,229 --> 01:49:34,560
that without the distractions and i

2880
01:49:38,550 --> 01:49:36,239
thought that would be more of a service

2881
01:49:40,550 --> 01:49:38,560
and also i thought look if i can somehow

2882
01:49:42,550 --> 01:49:40,560
make this thing a success within the

2883
01:49:44,870 --> 01:49:42,560
medium

2884
01:49:46,709 --> 01:49:44,880
ecosystem then that would be its own

2885
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:46,719
victory because that would mean you'd be

2886
01:49:53,189 --> 01:49:50,080
saying look the ufo uap reality issue

2887
01:49:54,950 --> 01:49:53,199
is so popular and so important that

2888
01:49:58,709 --> 01:49:54,960
there's this place called trail of the

2889
01:50:01,189 --> 01:49:58,719
saucers on medium that is really a go-to

2890
01:50:03,510 --> 01:50:01,199
site so that's what i'm still hopeful

2891
01:50:05,510 --> 01:50:03,520
absolutely it's so clean i love writing

2892
01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:05,520
over there and i love writing

2893
01:50:09,350 --> 01:50:07,360
with you bryce because um i don't know

2894
01:50:12,709 --> 01:50:09,360
if i told you this i got reached out to

2895
01:50:13,830 --> 01:50:12,719
by medium and one of uh my articles that

2896
01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:13,840
was on

2897
01:50:21,030 --> 01:50:18,719
the top 10 most viewed articles of the

2898
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:21,040
month a couple months ago so they

2899
01:50:24,870 --> 01:50:22,880
hey there you go man that's what i'm

2900
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:24,880
trying to tell you uh

2901
01:50:28,149 --> 01:50:26,639
and and you have some also you wrote

2902
01:50:29,350 --> 01:50:28,159
about shag harbor

2903
01:50:31,189 --> 01:50:29,360
um

2904
01:50:32,950 --> 01:50:31,199
which i thought was a great story but

2905
01:50:34,950 --> 01:50:32,960
what was interesting about that one you

2906
01:50:36,229 --> 01:50:34,960
know it's very funny i mean it's it's

2907
01:50:38,149 --> 01:50:36,239
talking about getting in the weeds but

2908
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:38,159
some articles if you're graphing them

2909
01:50:42,950 --> 01:50:40,400
just go boom you know they just and then

2910
01:50:45,589 --> 01:50:42,960
they kind of fall down and

2911
01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:45,599
this shag harbor one of yours just it's

2912
01:50:48,229 --> 01:50:47,280
the little engine that could it just

2913
01:50:51,669 --> 01:50:48,239
keeps

2914
01:50:53,669 --> 01:50:51,679
it's like

2915
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:53,679
you're doing something right i say keep

2916
01:50:57,830 --> 01:50:55,440
doing it and you know to keep talking

2917
01:50:59,109 --> 01:50:57,840
about these cases too and people you

2918
01:51:00,709 --> 01:50:59,119
know that's your other thing that you do

2919
01:51:03,430 --> 01:51:00,719
you make him

2920
01:51:05,510 --> 01:51:03,440
authentic about people um

2921
01:51:06,390 --> 01:51:05,520
you know your article about kevin day

2922
01:51:08,950 --> 01:51:06,400
for example

2923
01:51:11,990 --> 01:51:08,960
was very powerful and um

2924
01:51:14,629 --> 01:51:12,000
and you know it made me know him better

2925
01:51:16,470 --> 01:51:14,639
and it made me care about his story and

2926
01:51:18,310 --> 01:51:16,480
care about um

2927
01:51:20,870 --> 01:51:18,320
you know the contribution he's made to

2928
01:51:22,229 --> 01:51:20,880
the whole thing yeah and i think it's

2929
01:51:23,910 --> 01:51:22,239
important too like yeah these are

2930
01:51:25,830 --> 01:51:23,920
military cases but these are human

2931
01:51:27,109 --> 01:51:25,840
beings at the end of the day like

2932
01:51:29,189 --> 01:51:27,119
they're just they're affected by these

2933
01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:29,199
events just like we are in the civilian

2934
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:31,840
world so no i think you know focusing on

2935
01:51:36,149 --> 01:51:33,360
the people can tell us a lot more than

2936
01:51:39,589 --> 01:51:36,159
we think um and i mean bryce you your

2937
01:51:41,430 --> 01:51:39,599
job as a dramatist is to focus on people

2938
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:41,440
the journeys they take their characters

2939
01:51:46,310 --> 01:51:44,000
and everything um and that has led you

2940
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:46,320
to some interesting places in the world

2941
01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:48,560
of uh show business and i kind of like

2942
01:51:52,790 --> 01:51:50,800
to wrap up here if you do want to ask

2943
01:51:54,870 --> 01:51:52,800
bryce any questions guys feel free to

2944
01:51:57,270 --> 01:51:54,880
put them in right now um we'll get to

2945
01:51:59,669 --> 01:51:57,280
those as we close the hour out here in

2946
01:52:02,070 --> 01:51:59,679
just a little bit um thanks for sticking

2947
01:52:04,149 --> 01:52:02,080
with me bryce i love

2948
01:52:05,910 --> 01:52:04,159
cool cool um what i wanted to ask you

2949
01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:05,920
about is um

2950
01:52:09,910 --> 01:52:07,920
your work is the chairman and ceo of the

2951
01:52:14,149 --> 01:52:09,920
academy of television let's rewind a

2952
01:52:15,669 --> 01:52:14,159
little bit here um in 2001 august of

2953
01:52:17,669 --> 01:52:15,679
2001

2954
01:52:21,669 --> 01:52:17,679
is when you were

2955
01:52:24,310 --> 01:52:21,679
um selected and then boom what happens

2956
01:52:26,310 --> 01:52:24,320
god weeks later uh probably the most

2957
01:52:28,470 --> 01:52:26,320
historical moment

2958
01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:28,480
in america one of the most historical

2959
01:52:33,030 --> 01:52:30,000
moments 9 11

2960
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:33,040
occurred and your job one of your first

2961
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:34,080
duties

2962
01:52:38,790 --> 01:52:37,119
was the emmys for that year so

2963
01:52:40,229 --> 01:52:38,800
i can't even imagine

2964
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:40,239
what that must have been like and i know

2965
01:52:43,669 --> 01:52:41,760
you've written about this over on medium

2966
01:52:46,470 --> 01:52:43,679
as well but would you mind telling us a

2967
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:46,480
little about what that job entails um

2968
01:52:50,550 --> 01:52:48,880
rod serling was one of the the

2969
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:50,560
individuals that um

2970
01:52:55,270 --> 01:52:52,800
that was a predecessor to you i should

2971
01:52:58,070 --> 01:52:55,280
mention as well i'm reading a biography

2972
01:53:01,910 --> 01:52:58,080
on sterling right now oh wow um really

2973
01:53:03,510 --> 01:53:01,920
well done i must brag that he is from my

2974
01:53:05,589 --> 01:53:03,520
neck of the woods in syracuse and

2975
01:53:07,669 --> 01:53:05,599
bingham yes he is there you go

2976
01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:07,679
yeah so something good in the water

2977
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:10,480
there i guess i guess

2978
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:12,639
let's get back to um the more somber

2979
01:53:18,550 --> 01:53:15,040
well you know what it's it's you know um

2980
01:53:19,990 --> 01:53:18,560
you you mentioned rod serling it it is

2981
01:53:23,109 --> 01:53:20,000
one of the great

2982
01:53:25,510 --> 01:53:23,119
things that i take some joy in in that

2983
01:53:27,350 --> 01:53:25,520
um i was a governor at the television

2984
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:27,360
academy the people that put on the the

2985
01:53:32,470 --> 01:53:30,000
emmys i wasn't selected i was elected i

2986
01:53:33,430 --> 01:53:32,480
mean i actually said okay i'm running

2987
01:53:38,390 --> 01:53:33,440
and

2988
01:53:40,390 --> 01:53:38,400
like well actually they said only one

2989
01:53:41,669 --> 01:53:40,400
guy was gonna run i said why

2990
01:53:43,589 --> 01:53:41,679
who's going to run against him and they

2991
01:53:45,189 --> 01:53:43,599
said well it's his turn and you know

2992
01:53:47,350 --> 01:53:45,199
that just rubbed me the wrong way i just

2993
01:53:49,189 --> 01:53:47,360
thought like it's nobody's turn you know

2994
01:53:51,189 --> 01:53:49,199
if if it's an election it should be

2995
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:51,199
contested so i just threw my hat in the

2996
01:53:55,270 --> 01:53:53,119
ring and said i'm running and then it

2997
01:53:57,030 --> 01:53:55,280
was funny is that and i thought it would

2998
01:54:00,070 --> 01:53:57,040
be great because the last writer to

2999
01:54:02,629 --> 01:54:00,080
actually do this was rod serling who who

3000
01:54:04,070 --> 01:54:02,639
the last writer to lead the academy

3001
01:54:06,149 --> 01:54:04,080
and um

3002
01:54:07,830 --> 01:54:06,159
i started running and i realized well

3003
01:54:10,790 --> 01:54:07,840
the last thing you want to do is run and

3004
01:54:13,350 --> 01:54:10,800
lose so i ran hard and i won and i

3005
01:54:15,350 --> 01:54:13,360
thought it would be just kind of uh

3006
01:54:17,350 --> 01:54:15,360
yeah i knew it would be work but it was

3007
01:54:19,589 --> 01:54:17,360
supposed to be a volunteer position

3008
01:54:22,149 --> 01:54:19,599
basically that you continued with your

3009
01:54:24,229 --> 01:54:22,159
career and you know it took time but not

3010
01:54:26,629 --> 01:54:24,239
that much time well

3011
01:54:27,750 --> 01:54:26,639
okay so i'd been elected for about uh

3012
01:54:30,149 --> 01:54:27,760
two weeks

3013
01:54:31,350 --> 01:54:30,159
and then 9 11 hit

3014
01:54:33,109 --> 01:54:31,360
and uh

3015
01:54:36,310 --> 01:54:33,119
we were planning on doing the emmys in

3016
01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:36,320
2001 on september 16th so that was five

3017
01:54:40,229 --> 01:54:38,320
days in the future and we just that was

3018
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:40,239
not possible we couldn't do it so we

3019
01:54:45,030 --> 01:54:42,320
canceled them now here's the interesting

3020
01:54:47,990 --> 01:54:45,040
thing 49 years previously the enemies

3021
01:54:49,910 --> 01:54:48,000
had always gone on you know during wars

3022
01:54:52,870 --> 01:54:49,920
and you know during the vietnam war the

3023
01:54:54,550 --> 01:54:52,880
korean war emmys always go on uh but we

3024
01:54:56,550 --> 01:54:54,560
had to cancel them because it just was

3025
01:54:59,510 --> 01:54:56,560
impossible nobody was going to come so

3026
01:55:01,510 --> 01:54:59,520
we reset the time for october 7th and i

3027
01:55:03,510 --> 01:55:01,520
wake up on the morning of october 7th i

3028
01:55:06,070 --> 01:55:03,520
was literally in this room here tying my

3029
01:55:08,310 --> 01:55:06,080
shoes to go for a run and the phone rang

3030
01:55:10,950 --> 01:55:08,320
and i heard those dreaded four words

3031
01:55:13,510 --> 01:55:10,960
which were turn on your television i

3032
01:55:14,950 --> 01:55:13,520
turn on the television and uh it turns

3033
01:55:17,430 --> 01:55:14,960
out we were

3034
01:55:19,990 --> 01:55:17,440
invading afghanistan that day so i

3035
01:55:21,990 --> 01:55:20,000
called around to all the nominees and

3036
01:55:24,149 --> 01:55:22,000
the shows and nobody really wanted to

3037
01:55:26,390 --> 01:55:24,159
come then either so we so now they've

3038
01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:26,400
gone 49 years

3039
01:55:31,189 --> 01:55:28,400
say you know

3040
01:55:33,669 --> 01:55:31,199
without cancellation and i did it twice

3041
01:55:34,470 --> 01:55:33,679
so we set them for november 4th

3042
01:55:36,310 --> 01:55:34,480
and

3043
01:55:39,109 --> 01:55:36,320
on november 4th

3044
01:55:41,030 --> 01:55:39,119
i said to the media at that time

3045
01:55:42,709 --> 01:55:41,040
if i have to put them in my suburban and

3046
01:55:44,310 --> 01:55:42,719
drive them around to everybody i'm going

3047
01:55:46,950 --> 01:55:44,320
to do that because i'm not going to

3048
01:55:48,470 --> 01:55:46,960
cancel them again and on november 4th we

3049
01:55:50,550 --> 01:55:48,480
were up against the

3050
01:55:53,189 --> 01:55:50,560
seventh game of a very exciting world

3051
01:55:54,550 --> 01:55:53,199
series and um i remember being on the

3052
01:55:57,750 --> 01:55:54,560
today show that

3053
01:56:00,229 --> 01:55:57,760
that the day before and um being asked

3054
01:56:02,790 --> 01:56:00,239
by matt lauer of all people whether it

3055
01:56:05,109 --> 01:56:02,800
bothered me that we were going to have

3056
01:56:06,310 --> 01:56:05,119
to go head to head with the world series

3057
01:56:08,390 --> 01:56:06,320
and you know

3058
01:56:09,990 --> 01:56:08,400
i said no not at all because what i

3059
01:56:11,109 --> 01:56:10,000
thought was so great about it is it

3060
01:56:14,390 --> 01:56:11,119
meant that

3061
01:56:16,629 --> 01:56:14,400
at two months after 9 11 two live events

3062
01:56:18,550 --> 01:56:16,639
were happening one was the emmys and one

3063
01:56:20,709 --> 01:56:18,560
was the world series and we were

3064
01:56:23,910 --> 01:56:20,719
carrying on and i felt that that was a

3065
01:56:25,990 --> 01:56:23,920
pretty powerful and and cool thing so

3066
01:56:28,870 --> 01:56:26,000
wasn't bothered and i want to

3067
01:56:31,910 --> 01:56:28,880
somehow we've used the word somber i

3068
01:56:34,310 --> 01:56:31,920
believe today in some something you said

3069
01:56:36,629 --> 01:56:34,320
earlier i just wanted to tell you uh

3070
01:56:40,390 --> 01:56:36,639
during this time

3071
01:56:43,109 --> 01:56:40,400
we hosted an event with um gregory peck

3072
01:56:45,350 --> 01:56:43,119
and he died shortly thereafter but as

3073
01:56:47,750 --> 01:56:45,360
the chairman i got to go you know

3074
01:56:50,470 --> 01:56:47,760
meet him talk to him sit down and

3075
01:56:51,510 --> 01:56:50,480
talk to him and you know he was old and

3076
01:56:54,629 --> 01:56:51,520
um

3077
01:56:57,830 --> 01:56:54,639
you know i i didn't want to you know be

3078
01:57:00,070 --> 01:56:57,840
too you know ask too much of him but i

3079
01:57:01,750 --> 01:57:00,080
also wanted to talk to him and i i just

3080
01:57:03,830 --> 01:57:01,760
asked this question i always like to ask

3081
01:57:05,750 --> 01:57:03,840
people questions that they don't see

3082
01:57:08,149 --> 01:57:05,760
coming because that's when you get this

3083
01:57:12,709 --> 01:57:08,159
strange thing so i said you know uh mr

3084
01:57:15,510 --> 01:57:12,719
peck um we're going to have the emmys

3085
01:57:17,350 --> 01:57:15,520
and you know with 9 11 and everything

3086
01:57:20,070 --> 01:57:17,360
there's a lot of discussion and debate

3087
01:57:22,390 --> 01:57:20,080
about it and i know a lot of the actors

3088
01:57:24,149 --> 01:57:22,400
are concerned as they walk down the red

3089
01:57:26,950 --> 01:57:24,159
carpet what should how should they

3090
01:57:29,990 --> 01:57:26,960
conduct themselves

3091
01:57:33,109 --> 01:57:30,000
and this man in his eighties

3092
01:57:34,950 --> 01:57:33,119
doesn't have much life left to live

3093
01:57:36,550 --> 01:57:34,960
doesn't miss a beat

3094
01:57:37,669 --> 01:57:36,560
and this is what he says

3095
01:57:39,270 --> 01:57:37,679
he says

3096
01:57:40,390 --> 01:57:39,280
i would be

3097
01:57:42,070 --> 01:57:40,400
sober

3098
01:57:44,470 --> 01:57:42,080
but not somber

3099
01:57:48,070 --> 01:57:44,480
with a twinkle in my eye to assure

3100
01:57:49,589 --> 01:57:48,080
everyone that it's going to be okay

3101
01:57:51,830 --> 01:57:49,599
wow

3102
01:57:54,310 --> 01:57:51,840
isn't that great that's amazing like

3103
01:57:56,470 --> 01:57:54,320
that that encapsulates everything you

3104
01:57:58,790 --> 01:57:56,480
know right there like sober but not

3105
01:58:00,390 --> 01:57:58,800
somber so in fact you know if we're

3106
01:58:01,990 --> 01:58:00,400
going to talk about disclosure and

3107
01:58:03,750 --> 01:58:02,000
things like that just to bring it back

3108
01:58:05,109 --> 01:58:03,760
full circle

3109
01:58:08,390 --> 01:58:05,119
i think that

3110
01:58:09,589 --> 01:58:08,400
gregory peck's not wrong we should be

3111
01:58:11,350 --> 01:58:09,599
sober

3112
01:58:13,270 --> 01:58:11,360
but not somber

3113
01:58:14,470 --> 01:58:13,280
and we should still have that twinkle in

3114
01:58:17,030 --> 01:58:14,480
our eye

3115
01:58:18,830 --> 01:58:17,040
to assure people it's going to be okay

3116
01:58:22,790 --> 01:58:18,840
because

3117
01:58:24,950 --> 01:58:22,800
being somber and depressed before we

3118
01:58:26,629 --> 01:58:24,960
even know what we're up against that's

3119
01:58:28,950 --> 01:58:26,639
that didn't get people through world war

3120
01:58:31,910 --> 01:58:28,960
ii it didn't get people through

3121
01:58:36,229 --> 01:58:31,920
any great disaster we have to keep our

3122
01:58:38,070 --> 01:58:36,239
heads high and and hope for the best

3123
01:58:39,750 --> 01:58:38,080
i love that i i can't think of a better

3124
01:58:41,669 --> 01:58:39,760
way to kind of

3125
01:58:44,070 --> 01:58:41,679
wrap up this whole conversation we had

3126
01:58:45,430 --> 01:58:44,080
man i do have a question here sure from

3127
01:58:48,390 --> 01:58:45,440
rodrigo

3128
01:58:50,790 --> 01:58:48,400
um thank you gregory peck the the

3129
01:58:52,790 --> 01:58:50,800
spokesperson of this year if i've ever

3130
01:58:54,790 --> 01:58:52,800
heard one think about that yeah that's

3131
01:58:56,390 --> 01:58:54,800
great yeah yep

3132
01:58:58,229 --> 01:58:56,400
crazier things have happened rodrigo

3133
01:59:00,229 --> 01:58:58,239
wants to know projects for the hopefully

3134
01:59:02,550 --> 01:59:00,239
near future price anything you're

3135
01:59:04,229 --> 01:59:02,560
working on um i know you had a pitch

3136
01:59:06,550 --> 01:59:04,239
today we're not expecting you to talk

3137
01:59:08,550 --> 01:59:06,560
about that but uh yeah what what do you

3138
01:59:10,709 --> 01:59:08,560
got going on man got some things

3139
01:59:11,510 --> 01:59:10,719
breaking um

3140
01:59:13,750 --> 01:59:11,520
you know

3141
01:59:16,390 --> 01:59:13,760
uh the superstitious part of you never

3142
01:59:18,149 --> 01:59:16,400
wants to say things out loud and then

3143
01:59:20,229 --> 01:59:18,159
be held accountable later for why they

3144
01:59:22,310 --> 01:59:20,239
didn't happen but you know we have been

3145
01:59:24,470 --> 01:59:22,320
working a while on the captured uh

3146
01:59:26,709 --> 01:59:24,480
series and we have some

3147
01:59:28,390 --> 01:59:26,719
we have some real traction right now so

3148
01:59:30,550 --> 01:59:28,400
hopefully we're going to be able to have

3149
01:59:31,430 --> 01:59:30,560
an announcement about that sooner than

3150
01:59:34,709 --> 01:59:31,440
later

3151
01:59:38,070 --> 01:59:34,719
um my wife jackie and i uh just wrote a

3152
01:59:40,550 --> 01:59:38,080
spec one hour drama pilot called uap so

3153
01:59:41,510 --> 01:59:40,560
guess what that's about um it's kind of

3154
01:59:44,790 --> 01:59:41,520
like a

3155
01:59:47,109 --> 01:59:44,800
house of cards meets aliens right so

3156
01:59:50,550 --> 01:59:47,119
it's sort of like it's taking place in

3157
01:59:52,149 --> 01:59:50,560
sort of the world the power center of dc

3158
01:59:53,990 --> 01:59:52,159
from the white house to the senate

3159
01:59:56,470 --> 01:59:54,000
intelligence committee

3160
01:59:58,390 --> 01:59:56,480
that kind of world and we've just

3161
01:59:59,669 --> 01:59:58,400
finished it and we're just about to go

3162
02:00:03,030 --> 01:59:59,679
out with that

3163
02:00:05,750 --> 02:00:03,040
and um my dark skies partner brent

3164
02:00:07,990 --> 02:00:05,760
friedman and i have just had an offer

3165
02:00:09,589 --> 02:00:08,000
presented to us to write a feature film

3166
02:00:10,950 --> 02:00:09,599
called decoy

3167
02:00:14,550 --> 02:00:10,960
which

3168
02:00:16,470 --> 02:00:14,560
we had worked on this a decade ago and

3169
02:00:19,189 --> 02:00:16,480
it just came back out of you know the

3170
02:00:22,950 --> 02:00:19,199
things come back and that one is about

3171
02:00:26,790 --> 02:00:22,960
an ocean's 11 style team is hired to

3172
02:00:28,149 --> 02:00:26,800
break an alien out of area 51.

3173
02:00:30,149 --> 02:00:28,159
that's amazing

3174
02:00:31,510 --> 02:00:30,159
it's just kind of a high concept it's i

3175
02:00:34,149 --> 02:00:31,520
look that's not going to change the

3176
02:00:36,870 --> 02:00:34,159
world and you know it's not true or

3177
02:00:39,430 --> 02:00:36,880
anything but but it's fun and so we're

3178
02:00:42,870 --> 02:00:39,440
doing that and then uh you know just to

3179
02:00:43,990 --> 02:00:42,880
tell you um my book a.d after disclosure

3180
02:00:46,550 --> 02:00:44,000
has

3181
02:00:48,470 --> 02:00:46,560
interest and i you know knock on wood i

3182
02:00:52,629 --> 02:00:48,480
would love something to happen with that

3183
02:00:55,830 --> 02:00:52,639
and um i've had uh stan friedman

3184
02:00:57,830 --> 02:00:55,840
his book um top secret magic and don

3185
02:00:59,990 --> 02:00:57,840
schmidt's book witness to roswell under

3186
02:01:02,390 --> 02:01:00,000
option and we've developed a feature

3187
02:01:04,550 --> 02:01:02,400
film screenplay about it

3188
02:01:06,390 --> 02:01:04,560
that's sort of about their lives uh you

3189
02:01:07,189 --> 02:01:06,400
know when they work together in the 90s

3190
02:01:08,870 --> 02:01:07,199
so

3191
02:01:10,310 --> 02:01:08,880
you know

3192
02:01:12,310 --> 02:01:10,320
here's the thing

3193
02:01:14,310 --> 02:01:12,320
we could go a year and i could be back

3194
02:01:16,950 --> 02:01:14,320
on and you say what happened to all

3195
02:01:17,750 --> 02:01:16,960
these things and i go damned if i know

3196
02:01:20,070 --> 02:01:17,760
right

3197
02:01:22,950 --> 02:01:20,080
or i could call you back next week and

3198
02:01:24,709 --> 02:01:22,960
go i got three things put me back on

3199
02:01:28,070 --> 02:01:24,719
baby because i got three things to talk

3200
02:01:30,470 --> 02:01:28,080
about i i will say this um and i think

3201
02:01:31,990 --> 02:01:30,480
it it's not going to be news to anybody

3202
02:01:33,510 --> 02:01:32,000
but

3203
02:01:36,470 --> 02:01:33,520
hollywood

3204
02:01:38,629 --> 02:01:36,480
doesn't usually lead it follows right

3205
02:01:39,430 --> 02:01:38,639
and the zeitgeist right now

3206
02:01:44,950 --> 02:01:39,440
is

3207
02:01:48,470 --> 02:01:44,960
real and people are talking and so there

3208
02:01:50,870 --> 02:01:48,480
is an openness to hearing ideas

3209
02:01:52,629 --> 02:01:50,880
that aren't just fanciful now i agree

3210
02:01:54,550 --> 02:01:52,639
the decoy thing is fanciful but some of

3211
02:01:58,310 --> 02:01:54,560
these other ideas a.d

3212
02:02:01,270 --> 02:01:58,320
and uap and and even uh the crash which

3213
02:02:04,310 --> 02:02:01,280
is the roswell movie these are based and

3214
02:02:06,390 --> 02:02:04,320
grounded in reality and so uh people

3215
02:02:08,070 --> 02:02:06,400
before might not have been as interested

3216
02:02:09,910 --> 02:02:08,080
in hearing them

3217
02:02:11,270 --> 02:02:09,920
but we're seeing that we're getting more

3218
02:02:15,030 --> 02:02:11,280
traction now

3219
02:02:17,510 --> 02:02:15,040
so oh yeah just my this is a wood desk

3220
02:02:19,910 --> 02:02:17,520
i'm knocking my man all right same here

3221
02:02:23,430 --> 02:02:19,920
and i can say being on the other side of

3222
02:02:25,750 --> 02:02:23,440
the camera um i am reached out to almost

3223
02:02:28,229 --> 02:02:25,760
on a weekly basis for you know these

3224
02:02:30,229 --> 02:02:28,239
reality shows to go hunt ufos and

3225
02:02:33,510 --> 02:02:30,239
whatnot and it's great i've been able to

3226
02:02:35,910 --> 02:02:33,520
do some projects um and and just like

3227
02:02:38,550 --> 02:02:35,920
you it's kind of hurry up and wait for a

3228
02:02:40,870 --> 02:02:38,560
lot of these things but um it's exciting

3229
02:02:41,830 --> 02:02:40,880
it's exciting to know that your ufos are

3230
02:02:43,830 --> 02:02:41,840
kind of

3231
02:02:45,270 --> 02:02:43,840
the hot thing right now and i couldn't

3232
02:02:46,629 --> 02:02:45,280
think of a better time for all your

3233
02:02:48,709 --> 02:02:46,639
projects to

3234
02:02:51,430 --> 02:02:48,719
finally get the attention they deserve

3235
02:02:53,270 --> 02:02:51,440
um i do have to say ufot here brings it

3236
02:02:55,830 --> 02:02:53,280
back to the mantis days bryce loved

3237
02:02:57,830 --> 02:02:55,840
mantis so much thank you i love mantis

3238
02:02:59,910 --> 02:02:57,840
too man i forgot to bring that one up

3239
02:03:02,070 --> 02:02:59,920
it's crazy i watched all of your stuff

3240
02:03:04,229 --> 02:03:02,080
before i even knew you

3241
02:03:06,550 --> 02:03:04,239
again you know i'll tell you something

3242
02:03:09,510 --> 02:03:06,560
that makes me so happy about mantis is

3243
02:03:11,350 --> 02:03:09,520
um it was again carl lumley brilliant

3244
02:03:14,709 --> 02:03:11,360
actor starring as

3245
02:03:18,070 --> 02:03:14,719
miles hawkins aka the mantis first

3246
02:03:20,310 --> 02:03:18,080
african american superhero on tv

3247
02:03:22,310 --> 02:03:20,320
and i've had multiple young

3248
02:03:25,350 --> 02:03:22,320
african-american men who are in their

3249
02:03:27,270 --> 02:03:25,360
30s right based on when it was come up

3250
02:03:31,270 --> 02:03:27,280
to me and tell me how important that

3251
02:03:32,470 --> 02:03:31,280
show was uh when they saw it because

3252
02:03:35,990 --> 02:03:32,480
uh

3253
02:03:37,750 --> 02:03:36,000
miles hawkins is the smartest guy who's

3254
02:03:39,669 --> 02:03:37,760
you know um

3255
02:03:41,990 --> 02:03:39,679
you know as carl lumley is not only the

3256
02:03:43,990 --> 02:03:42,000
smartest guy in the room but he's giving

3257
02:03:47,109 --> 02:03:44,000
orders to everybody else and he's the

3258
02:03:50,149 --> 02:03:47,119
star so i you know i was happy to see

3259
02:03:51,750 --> 02:03:50,159
that happen and um you know even now

3260
02:03:54,709 --> 02:03:51,760
carl lumley gets to play martian

3261
02:03:57,910 --> 02:03:54,719
manhunter i think in various things and

3262
02:03:59,830 --> 02:03:57,920
and he was in the um winter uh soldier

3263
02:04:03,030 --> 02:03:59,840
uh series

3264
02:04:05,189 --> 02:04:03,040
it was crazy ufot says so far ahead of

3265
02:04:06,229 --> 02:04:05,199
its time you're right well that's very

3266
02:04:07,830 --> 02:04:06,239
nice

3267
02:04:10,149 --> 02:04:07,840
took marvel what

3268
02:04:11,910 --> 02:04:10,159
geez like 15 years to get an

3269
02:04:14,310 --> 02:04:11,920
african-american at the front of one of

3270
02:04:17,750 --> 02:04:14,320
their movies so hey i would have to say

3271
02:04:19,669 --> 02:04:17,760
yeah a lot of react for that and yeah um

3272
02:04:21,430 --> 02:04:19,679
he was taking a chance you were taking a

3273
02:04:23,430 --> 02:04:21,440
chance the network was everyone was

3274
02:04:25,750 --> 02:04:23,440
taking a chance and um it's very

3275
02:04:27,270 --> 02:04:25,760
memorable i remember it today thank you

3276
02:04:29,510 --> 02:04:27,280
thank you i love doing it it was a lot

3277
02:04:31,830 --> 02:04:29,520
of fun and also the birthplace of dark

3278
02:04:34,310 --> 02:04:31,840
skies because again

3279
02:04:35,750 --> 02:04:34,320
when mantis was winding down brent and i

3280
02:04:37,350 --> 02:04:35,760
were just saying

3281
02:04:38,709 --> 02:04:37,360
well what the heck we have an office

3282
02:04:40,550 --> 02:04:38,719
let's let's

3283
02:04:43,270 --> 02:04:40,560
spend the next six hours talking about

3284
02:04:44,390 --> 02:04:43,280
ufos and that's sort of how dark skies

3285
02:04:47,030 --> 02:04:44,400
got built

3286
02:04:50,149 --> 02:04:47,040
yep and that's where we are today man

3287
02:04:52,149 --> 02:04:50,159
fun times it's amazing

3288
02:04:54,550 --> 02:04:52,159
what a journey you've had um it looks

3289
02:04:57,910 --> 02:04:54,560
like our our internet's kind of getting

3290
02:04:58,709 --> 02:04:57,920
tired i'm sure you are as well my man

3291
02:05:02,629 --> 02:04:58,719
you know

3292
02:05:04,709 --> 02:05:02,639
i've noticed first of all you're doing a

3293
02:05:07,589 --> 02:05:04,719
little of the internet herky jerk thing

3294
02:05:10,149 --> 02:05:07,599
but what's happened on my end is when we

3295
02:05:11,990 --> 02:05:10,159
started i was sort of brilliantly lit if

3296
02:05:13,910 --> 02:05:12,000
people were to go back to the beginning

3297
02:05:16,149 --> 02:05:13,920
and now i'm kind of in

3298
02:05:18,390 --> 02:05:16,159
you know these long shadows

3299
02:05:22,149 --> 02:05:18,400
this is probably a better look for a ufo

3300
02:05:23,589 --> 02:05:22,159
show where we are now i think a big city

3301
02:05:25,910 --> 02:05:23,599
i think so

3302
02:05:27,910 --> 02:05:25,920
we we both got to work on our studio

3303
02:05:29,589 --> 02:05:27,920
ryan i always enjoy talking to you my

3304
02:05:32,149 --> 02:05:29,599
friend it's always so much fun and i

3305
02:05:33,189 --> 02:05:32,159
love your show and i do listen to it and

3306
02:05:35,510 --> 02:05:33,199
um

3307
02:05:37,589 --> 02:05:35,520
and you know i just think uh you you

3308
02:05:38,390 --> 02:05:37,599
keep uh fighting the fight my friend and

3309
02:05:40,310 --> 02:05:38,400
and

3310
02:05:42,629 --> 02:05:40,320
it's all gonna be

3311
02:05:43,990 --> 02:05:42,639
right let's let's put it i'll tell you

3312
02:05:45,510 --> 02:05:44,000
something we could leave people with

3313
02:05:47,589 --> 02:05:45,520
because i need to put you on the record

3314
02:05:48,390 --> 02:05:47,599
too all right

3315
02:05:50,950 --> 02:05:48,400
what

3316
02:05:52,229 --> 02:05:50,960
is our respective opinion

3317
02:05:55,030 --> 02:05:52,239
about

3318
02:05:56,390 --> 02:05:55,040
where we will be in the calendar

3319
02:05:59,350 --> 02:05:56,400
when

3320
02:06:00,470 --> 02:05:59,360
the vast majority of the world is now

3321
02:06:02,870 --> 02:06:00,480
aware

3322
02:06:04,709 --> 02:06:02,880
that ufo slash

3323
02:06:07,510 --> 02:06:04,719
uap reality

3324
02:06:11,350 --> 02:06:07,520
is an authentic thing and they're not

3325
02:06:14,470 --> 02:06:11,360
human made how far in the future till

3326
02:06:15,350 --> 02:06:14,480
most of the world knows this

3327
02:06:32,390 --> 02:06:15,360
i

3328
02:06:36,149 --> 02:06:32,400
now

3329
02:06:39,750 --> 02:06:36,159
the way i see our technology um evolving

3330
02:06:41,910 --> 02:06:39,760
so rapidly um things we once thought

3331
02:06:44,390 --> 02:06:41,920
you know paranormal or becoming normal

3332
02:06:45,990 --> 02:06:44,400
science fiction is becoming science fact

3333
02:06:49,109 --> 02:06:46,000
i really do

3334
02:06:52,310 --> 02:06:49,119
i think it could happen in your lifetime

3335
02:06:55,830 --> 02:06:52,320
in my lifetime maybe our kids um

3336
02:06:58,870 --> 02:06:55,840
i i could see it actually happening and

3337
02:07:00,069 --> 02:06:58,880
that both terrifies me and excites me

3338
02:07:02,709 --> 02:07:00,079
more than ever because you look at

3339
02:07:04,629 --> 02:07:02,719
someone like stan friedman who spent

3340
02:07:07,109 --> 02:07:04,639
more than half his life looking for

3341
02:07:09,350 --> 02:07:07,119
those answers and maybe finally got them

3342
02:07:11,270 --> 02:07:09,360
unfortunately when he passed away maybe

3343
02:07:13,990 --> 02:07:11,280
he has all the answers now that's what i

3344
02:07:14,870 --> 02:07:14,000
like to think that gives me comfort um

3345
02:07:17,030 --> 02:07:14,880
but

3346
02:07:19,589 --> 02:07:17,040
i i could see it happening bryce in the

3347
02:07:21,270 --> 02:07:19,599
next decade if not sooner what about you

3348
02:07:23,350 --> 02:07:21,280
what do you think well when you said

3349
02:07:25,430 --> 02:07:23,360
your lifetime in my lifetime i thought

3350
02:07:27,189 --> 02:07:25,440
that's being very generous on ryan's

3351
02:07:29,430 --> 02:07:27,199
part

3352
02:07:30,629 --> 02:07:29,440
i'm older than you are uh i'll tell you

3353
02:07:32,790 --> 02:07:30,639
i i am

3354
02:07:34,310 --> 02:07:32,800
i do feel that about stanton for example

3355
02:07:36,310 --> 02:07:34,320
by the way because he told me about

3356
02:07:37,990 --> 02:07:36,320
captured he just said you know what just

3357
02:07:40,790 --> 02:07:38,000
get this thing made i'd like to be on

3358
02:07:43,189 --> 02:07:40,800
that red carpet before i pass away and i

3359
02:07:45,189 --> 02:07:43,199
i never could i i tried i gave it

3360
02:07:48,310 --> 02:07:45,199
everything i could to meet that deadline

3361
02:07:50,709 --> 02:07:48,320
and couldn't quite pull that off but

3362
02:07:52,950 --> 02:07:50,719
i will say this i feel the frustration

3363
02:07:54,950 --> 02:07:52,960
all right i'm not the young man i used

3364
02:07:57,030 --> 02:07:54,960
to be i when i came to hollywood i was

3365
02:07:59,510 --> 02:07:57,040
the youngest guy in every room i'm not

3366
02:08:01,750 --> 02:07:59,520
that guy anymore um i've been around

3367
02:08:04,870 --> 02:08:01,760
long enough to say that i

3368
02:08:08,790 --> 02:08:04,880
i i'm tired of this i want it to be over

3369
02:08:09,750 --> 02:08:08,800
okay so here's what i'm gonna say

3370
02:08:23,510 --> 02:08:09,760
i

3371
02:08:24,709 --> 02:08:23,520
no later

3372
02:08:26,790 --> 02:08:24,719
wow

3373
02:08:29,109 --> 02:08:26,800
i love that man i'm i'm i'm holding you

3374
02:08:30,550 --> 02:08:29,119
to that the best one

3375
02:08:32,149 --> 02:08:30,560
here's the thing here's the thing about

3376
02:08:34,310 --> 02:08:32,159
when you're specific

3377
02:08:35,350 --> 02:08:34,320
if uh if it turns out i'm wrong i'll

3378
02:08:37,750 --> 02:08:35,360
just go

3379
02:08:40,790 --> 02:08:37,760
i just was throwing a date out right

3380
02:08:42,310 --> 02:08:40,800
what if it happens before 2025 you're

3381
02:08:44,069 --> 02:08:42,320
gonna pull this out and you're gonna go

3382
02:08:46,950 --> 02:08:44,079
i don't know what he i don't know how he

3383
02:08:48,870 --> 02:08:46,960
knew and also i'll be i'll be back on a

3384
02:08:51,510 --> 02:08:48,880
little grayer and i'll go i don't know

3385
02:08:54,470 --> 02:08:51,520
man it just seemed it seemed right

3386
02:08:57,189 --> 02:08:54,480
seemed right at the time exactly exactly

3387
02:08:59,350 --> 02:08:57,199
well i hope it does yeah true bryce and

3388
02:09:01,510 --> 02:08:59,360
um we have you to thank for putting

3389
02:09:03,430 --> 02:09:01,520
those hypotheticals out there way you're

3390
02:09:04,950 --> 02:09:03,440
always ahead of the time man when it

3391
02:09:07,510 --> 02:09:04,960
comes to this stuff and that's why i

3392
02:09:09,910 --> 02:09:07,520
love working with you um rodrigo did say

3393
02:09:12,310 --> 02:09:09,920
bryce is responsible for me becoming a

3394
02:09:14,149 --> 02:09:12,320
filmmaker so i can't think of a better

3395
02:09:16,870 --> 02:09:14,159
way to i gotta give

3396
02:09:19,109 --> 02:09:16,880
i'm gonna give rodrigo a virtual hug

3397
02:09:20,390 --> 02:09:19,119
here yeah that makes me tear up it's

3398
02:09:23,109 --> 02:09:20,400
fantastic

3399
02:09:25,430 --> 02:09:23,119
he's amazing yeah yeah i like he's such

3400
02:09:26,790 --> 02:09:25,440
a supporter of my work and yours and

3401
02:09:29,270 --> 02:09:26,800
it's such a good family we have it

3402
02:09:32,149 --> 02:09:29,280
somewhere in the skies and especially

3403
02:09:34,790 --> 02:09:32,159
over at trial of the saucers i love

3404
02:09:36,629 --> 02:09:34,800
working with you guys it's so much fun

3405
02:09:38,870 --> 02:09:36,639
you challenge me which i think is the

3406
02:09:41,589 --> 02:09:38,880
most important thing as a writer to ever

3407
02:09:43,669 --> 02:09:41,599
get comfortable and um it does it feels

3408
02:09:44,790 --> 02:09:43,679
like a family you know it's

3409
02:09:46,149 --> 02:09:44,800
first of all

3410
02:09:47,669 --> 02:09:46,159
that's great that you've done that was

3411
02:09:49,189 --> 02:09:47,679
somewhere in the skies and as i'm

3412
02:09:51,510 --> 02:09:49,199
looking at somewhere in the skies and

3413
02:09:53,510 --> 02:09:51,520
trail of the saucers down below i

3414
02:09:55,109 --> 02:09:53,520
realize why i shortened it to trail of

3415
02:09:56,870 --> 02:09:55,119
the saucers

3416
02:09:59,270 --> 02:09:56,880
it's got the same rhythm as somewhere in

3417
02:10:02,709 --> 02:09:59,280
the skies it does it does

3418
02:10:05,030 --> 02:10:02,719
somewhere in the skies i've got of the

3419
02:10:07,430 --> 02:10:05,040
saucers and when it was like on the

3420
02:10:10,470 --> 02:10:07,440
trail of the saucers it was too much and

3421
02:10:13,990 --> 02:10:10,480
originally i got the title because um i

3422
02:10:15,589 --> 02:10:14,000
i was speaking at the iufoc i think and

3423
02:10:18,629 --> 02:10:15,599
i they said what's the title of your

3424
02:10:20,390 --> 02:10:18,639
presentation and i said uh

3425
02:10:21,750 --> 02:10:20,400
fear and loathing on the trail of the

3426
02:10:23,830 --> 02:10:21,760
saucers

3427
02:10:26,229 --> 02:10:23,840
so which was sort of a take off on a

3428
02:10:28,149 --> 02:10:26,239
hunter thompson thing so then i said

3429
02:10:30,870 --> 02:10:28,159
that's too long so then it's on the

3430
02:10:32,870 --> 02:10:30,880
trail of the saucers and then i saw

3431
02:10:34,709 --> 02:10:32,880
my friend ryan had somewhere in the

3432
02:10:38,069 --> 02:10:34,719
skies and i thought well that's just it

3433
02:10:42,390 --> 02:10:38,079
we're we're bookends here so that's it

3434
02:10:44,390 --> 02:10:42,400
so the mashup of the century exactly i

3435
02:10:46,790 --> 02:10:44,400
gotta thank you man for everything

3436
02:10:49,030 --> 02:10:46,800
please one last time before we go let us

3437
02:10:50,790 --> 02:10:49,040
know where we can find you on twitter

3438
02:10:53,910 --> 02:10:50,800
and um where we can find trail of the

3439
02:10:55,669 --> 02:10:53,920
sisters okay so on twitter it's at

3440
02:10:58,790 --> 02:10:55,679
hollywood ufos

3441
02:11:00,870 --> 02:10:58,800
okay and by the way any article you see

3442
02:11:03,669 --> 02:11:00,880
from trail of the saucers on at

3443
02:11:05,350 --> 02:11:03,679
hollywood ufos on twitter is

3444
02:11:07,270 --> 02:11:05,360
no paywall

3445
02:11:09,589 --> 02:11:07,280
you can read any of those

3446
02:11:11,270 --> 02:11:09,599
if you want to go to our site on medium

3447
02:11:13,350 --> 02:11:11,280
and you're on medium then it's no

3448
02:11:17,030 --> 02:11:13,360
problem you can just find it on medium

3449
02:11:20,790 --> 02:11:17,040
but otherwise what if ufos.com

3450
02:11:26,390 --> 02:11:24,229
perfect awesome and again i link to my

3451
02:11:29,030 --> 02:11:26,400
medium goes right to trial the saucers

3452
02:11:31,270 --> 02:11:29,040
as well guys so please go over right now

3453
02:11:32,950 --> 02:11:31,280
there's tons of articles start from the

3454
02:11:35,669 --> 02:11:32,960
beginning work your way up they're

3455
02:11:37,750 --> 02:11:35,679
coming out every other day week i know

3456
02:11:40,470 --> 02:11:37,760
david bates is super busy you're super

3457
02:11:43,589 --> 02:11:40,480
busy um and it's exciting man i can't

3458
02:11:45,510 --> 02:11:43,599
wait to see let's let's meet back up in

3459
02:11:48,069 --> 02:11:45,520
a few months see where this conversation

3460
02:11:50,550 --> 02:11:48,079
is at but i have to thank you for coming

3461
02:11:52,950 --> 02:11:50,560
on summer in the skies today my pleasure

3462
02:11:54,950 --> 02:11:52,960
and bye to everybody for being a part of

3463
02:11:56,310 --> 02:11:54,960
this it was really fun

3464
02:11:58,149 --> 02:11:56,320
talk to you soon thank you my man

3465
02:12:01,350 --> 02:11:58,159
awesome take care have a great night all

3466
02:12:04,950 --> 02:12:01,360
right bye-bye bye-bye

3467
02:12:06,870 --> 02:12:04,960
wow and this is debrief time guys bryce

3468
02:12:10,229 --> 02:12:06,880
was so gracious with his time tonight we

3469
02:12:12,149 --> 02:12:10,239
covered so many amazing things um i only

3470
02:12:14,550 --> 02:12:12,159
got to half of the questions i had for

3471
02:12:16,709 --> 02:12:14,560
him but such is life i want to thank you

3472
02:12:20,229 --> 02:12:16,719
guys for your super chats um for all

3473
02:12:23,750 --> 02:12:20,239
your support to craig rodrigo nightgazer

3474
02:12:25,589 --> 02:12:23,760
palsy wave i love that name g west

3475
02:12:28,550 --> 02:12:25,599
um guthir

3476
02:12:29,910 --> 02:12:28,560
everyone everyone who joined us ufot um

3477
02:12:32,950 --> 02:12:29,920
you guys are awesome thank you for

3478
02:12:34,470 --> 02:12:32,960
taking part in this again if you um you

3479
02:12:36,950 --> 02:12:34,480
want to help out the show we have our

3480
02:12:39,270 --> 02:12:36,960
patreon as well where you get bonus

3481
02:12:41,109 --> 02:12:39,280
episodes of somewhere in the skies um

3482
02:12:43,350 --> 02:12:41,119
bonus content stuff like that just head

3483
02:12:45,990 --> 02:12:43,360
to patreon.com

3484
02:12:49,030 --> 02:12:46,000
summerskies uh and other than that no

3485
02:12:50,310 --> 02:12:49,040
more shameless promotions except i have

3486
02:12:52,470 --> 02:12:50,320
a new

3487
02:12:54,709 --> 02:12:52,480
uh case files episode that dropped on

3488
02:12:56,229 --> 02:12:54,719
youtube today so head on over to the

3489
02:12:57,990 --> 02:12:56,239
ryan sprague youtube channel and check

3490
02:13:01,669 --> 02:12:58,000
that out we are covering the trumbull

3491
02:13:03,589 --> 02:13:01,679
county ohio ufo incident of 1994 and i

3492
02:13:05,750 --> 02:13:03,599
got some really cool archival footage

3493
02:13:08,149 --> 02:13:05,760
from that from the actual police

3494
02:13:10,310 --> 02:13:08,159
dispatch recordings of these events

3495
02:13:11,830 --> 02:13:10,320
happening in real time which is insane

3496
02:13:13,830 --> 02:13:11,840
um so go check that out at the ryan

3497
02:13:15,910 --> 02:13:13,840
sprague youtube channel subscribe like

3498
02:13:18,709 --> 02:13:15,920
all that good jazz um you're already on

3499
02:13:20,950 --> 02:13:18,719
youtube so just go back a video click

3500
02:13:22,390 --> 02:13:20,960
like do what you got to do um but other

3501
02:13:24,069 --> 02:13:22,400
than that again i want to thank bryce

3502
02:13:26,310 --> 02:13:24,079
for coming on tonight i want to thank my

3503
02:13:28,550 --> 02:13:26,320
moderator jane for all of her help

3504
02:13:30,870 --> 02:13:28,560
tonight as well um we're going to have

3505
02:13:33,270 --> 02:13:30,880
some really cool episodes of summer in

3506
02:13:36,310 --> 02:13:33,280
the skies coming up very soon researched

3507
02:13:38,390 --> 02:13:36,320
and written by jane as well so be on the

3508
02:13:40,629 --> 02:13:38,400
lookout for that and other than that

3509
02:13:43,350 --> 02:13:40,639
guys thank you thank you for everyone

3510
02:13:45,430 --> 02:13:43,360
who came tonight and um thank you guther

3511
02:13:47,990 --> 02:13:45,440
thank you rodrigo thank you jane

3512
02:13:50,390 --> 02:13:48,000
and um have a great night i will see you

3513
02:13:53,189 --> 02:13:50,400
here very soon for another live stream

3514
02:13:55,430 --> 02:13:53,199
and uh that's it as always we'll sign

3515
02:13:57,589 --> 02:13:55,440
off remember to keep your feet on the

3516
02:13:59,189 --> 02:13:57,599
ground but never stop searching